XD40 for IPSC

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Question for the IPSC crowd:
What is the opinion, good and bad, of using the SA XD40 for IPSC competition? Would it be better for Production? All input is appreciated.

TS
 
what are you using now?
Some do very well with it and it has an ambi mag release (Popurhedoff uses one). Problems I saw with it were ammo related I assume. It has too many safeties IMHO. it has that trigger like the glock + the grip safety of a 1911.
Tanfoglio makes a nice production gun. I use an HK but I am a little excentric and odd:) :runaway:
HK is the most reliable pistol I have seen being used. Glock is also very reliable, as is the Tanfoglio's i have seen being used.
Oh, and most people use 9mm for production. If you use a .40 downloaded to minor PF levels, you may have to change springs..(?) (someone correct me if I am wrong...?)
 
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I use my XD40 for production, and did o.k. for my first half dozen matches.
I down load 180gr. Montana Golds & 3.6gr. of Titegroup which gives me about 130 - 135 pf for production, without modifications or changing springs. The pistol had about 1500 rounds of factory ammo through it before I started playing with reduced power loads.
I have added Dawson Precision Fiber Optic sights for this coming year so I can keep up (hopefully:rolleyes: ) with the CZ SP01 crowd, but that is the extent of the mods for me.
 
Yeah at my 1st match I used a 14lbs vs the factory 16lbs recoil spring for 135pf load in .40 in my CZ75b and had 10% stovepipe.

I guess I'll need a 11lbs one.
 
BTS_PEI said:
Question for the IPSC crowd:
What is the opinion, good and bad, of using the SA XD40 for IPSC competition? Would it be better for Production? All input is appreciated.

TS
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I have been using my XD40 Tactical since 2002. I use it mainly in the Production, but I have used it many times in the Standard Division and I even won a few matches with it. I also have even used it in the Open Division with an OKO reflex sight attached.

The XD40 Tactical will hold its own in the Production and Standard Division. Remember to enjoy shooting, have fun, and meet some great people.
 
BTS_PEI said:
Question for the IPSC crowd:
What is the opinion, good and bad, of using the SA XD40 for IPSC competition? Would it be better for Production? All input is appreciated.

TS
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Single action can't be used in production.
 
dinsdale said:
The XD is tecnically a single action. It's what puts it in ESP in IDPA.
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Technically... No.

Springfield had commissioned engineer Charles Fagg of Tioga to analyze the matter. Fagg's report of April 18, 2002, includes the following statements. "Confusion exists as to the proper classification of the firing mechanisms of the Glock 17 and the Springfield Armory XD pistols. This confusion stems from the ambiguity of the terms, 'single action' and 'double action'... The terms 'single action' and 'double action' are archaic and have little applicability to many, respected, semiautomatic pistols."

The word "archaic" is significant. Fagg sums up the matter as follows: "CONCLUSIONS: 1. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a single action pistol. 2. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a double action pistol. 3. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 will fire if the firing pin is released from the ready, or carry, position unless it is intercepted by the automatic firing-pin block. 4. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 are designed with an array of safety features that, if maintained properly, virtually preclude a discharge unless the trigger is pulled or a chambered round cooks off in a fire. 5. From a safety standpoint, there is no basis upon which to choose between the trigger mechanisms of the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 if the force required to pull their respective triggers is similar."


Here is a link to the complete article, it is actually very good reading written by Massad Ayoob. Please note that the article is 6 pages.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_160_26/ai_92585765/pg_1
 
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4string said:
Single action can't be used in production.
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It's Single Action only that cannot be used. First shot attempted must be DA, with the exeption of a '...course of fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber...'

Considering the XD is striker fired, and stock trigger pull is 5lb for each shot, it was deemed to meet the spirit of the division.
 
Popurhedoff said:
Technically... No.

Springfield had commissioned engineer Charles Fagg of Tioga to analyze the matter. Fagg's report of April 18, 2002, includes the following statements. "Confusion exists as to the proper classification of the firing mechanisms of the Glock 17 and the Springfield Armory XD pistols. This confusion stems from the ambiguity of the terms, 'single action' and 'double action'... The terms 'single action' and 'double action' are archaic and have little applicability to many, respected, semiautomatic pistols."

The word "archaic" is significant. Fagg sums up the matter as follows: "CONCLUSIONS: 1. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a single action pistol. 2. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a double action pistol. 3. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 will fire if the firing pin is released from the ready, or carry, position unless it is intercepted by the automatic firing-pin block. 4. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 are designed with an array of safety features that, if maintained properly, virtually preclude a discharge unless the trigger is pulled or a chambered round cooks off in a fire. 5. From a safety standpoint, there is no basis upon which to choose between the trigger mechanisms of the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 if the force required to pull their respective triggers is similar."


Here is a link to the complete article, it is actually very good reading written by Massad Ayoob. Please note that the article is 6 pages.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_160_26/ai_92585765/pg_1
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Thanks for the info Popurhedoff.Seems even the pros disagree.

From Guns & Ammo -By Dan Johnson said:
Defining The XD
The XD is correctly classified as a single-action design, meaning it is fully cocked by racking the slide. Most single-action autos have manual safeties, but the XD's Croatian designers eliminated the need for such safeties by adopting the Glock-type trigger safety as well as an internal firing-pin block. They also added a grip safety. The XD is a very safe design, but its single-action designation has confused some.

The XD is a true single-action internally but externally operates more like a double-action-only handgun. There are no manual safeties to disengage beforehand, and the trigger takeup has the feel of a light (very light) double-action pull before reaching a final single-action release. OK, I'll say it. The XD operates like a Glock with a grip safety. As with the Glock, the trigger design does not fit any traditional classification, so Springfield coined its own terminology and dubbed it the USA (Ultra Safety Assurance) trigger safety.

Inside The XD
The XD is a single-action design in that the trigger does not #### the striker. But the XD trigger does perform more than a single function, as do many other modern single-action designs. When the trigger is pressed, the trigger bar moves forward, and a lever in the frame pivots upward, disengaging the striker block. It's important to note that this disengagement occurs during the final stage of the trigger release. The striker-safety lever moves up in unison with the sear release. This means the long takeup of the trigger serves no mechanical function. The long pull does enhance safety, however, and performs much the same as a two-stage military-rifle trigger.
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http://www.gunsandammomag.com/techside/xd_010305/


Might be why it's ESP in IDPA and Production in IPSC.

Edit: I recall an article that said the reasoning behind theGlock and M&P being double action and the XD as single is that the Sear only travels forward upon the trigger pull in the XD and in the others it travels back , albeit slightly. I'll try and dig it up.

Cheers!
 
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IMO, Dan Johnson isn't disagreeing at all, in fact he seems to be agreeing with Charles Fagg's view, in that both the XD and Glock don't fit in either of the traditional "SA" or "DA" classifications.
 
Popurhedoff said:
Technically... No.

Springfield had commissioned engineer Charles Fagg of Tioga to analyze the matter. Fagg's report of April 18, 2002, includes the following statements. "Confusion exists as to the proper classification of the firing mechanisms of the Glock 17 and the Springfield Armory XD pistols. This confusion stems from the ambiguity of the terms, 'single action' and 'double action'... The terms 'single action' and 'double action' are archaic and have little applicability to many, respected, semiautomatic pistols."

The word "archaic" is significant. Fagg sums up the matter as follows: "CONCLUSIONS: 1. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a single action pistol. 2. Neither the Springfield Armory XD nor the Glock 17 qualifies as a double action pistol. 3. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 will fire if the firing pin is released from the ready, or carry, position unless it is intercepted by the automatic firing-pin block. 4. Both the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 are designed with an array of safety features that, if maintained properly, virtually preclude a discharge unless the trigger is pulled or a chambered round cooks off in a fire. 5. From a safety standpoint, there is no basis upon which to choose between the trigger mechanisms of the Springfield Armory XD and the Glock 17 if the force required to pull their respective triggers is similar."


Here is a link to the complete article, it is actually very good reading written by Massad Ayoob. Please note that the article is 6 pages.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_160_26/ai_92585765/pg_1
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Thanks for the article
 
I'm not sure which view is correct here, however as a SA XD-40 IPDA shooter, it works for me, however, I hardly think it is fair to put a SA XD-45 in the IDPA CDP division against 1911's, it is almost the beginning of an equipment race.

Just a Thought!
 
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