Y'all see the new Nighthawk Costa Recon?

Nooooooooooo please after the Costa 1911 .... The Costa Doll !



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That would be very nice without the lettering. But $3500, wow! You can buy a nice precision rig for that, or an ACR. Hell the STI Lawman cost half of that, I can't see it being twice as good, but I may sing a different song once I shot one.
 
If you can have "lady hawk" removed from the slide , i m sure NH will let you do the same with COSTA . I for sure would get it without the stupid name unless my name was costa .
 
I dunno... I get it that Costa's a good shooter... and he can afford the best, but it doesn't necessarily mean that his name stands for quality in the products, more like faith in the brand... I think Vickers is different since he's got the experience in building 1911s... now that's not to say I wouldn't be happy if I managed to acquire one of those, I just find it weird that there's Costa branding now..

I doubt that the Costa 1911's THAT much better than the GRP or any of the other Nighthawk's guns...

EDIT: It's funny how examples from their promo, is only Magpul stuff http://youtu.be/fKbbxjgJwKE
 
I dunno... I get it that Costa's a good shooter... and he can afford the best, but it doesn't necessarily mean that his name stands for quality in the products, more like faith in the brand... I think Vickers is different since he's got the experience in building 1911s... now that's not to say I wouldn't be happy if I managed to acquire one of those, I just find it weird that there's Costa branding now..

I doubt that the Costa 1911's THAT much better than the GRP or any of the other Nighthawk's guns...

EDIT: It's funny how examples from their promo, is only Magpul stuff http://youtu.be/fKbbxjgJwKE

Don't go throwing around so much logic, it confuses some.



So according to NHC website, these pistols are supposed to be the "ideal fighting gun". If that's the case, why is the rear sight on the full size not available in tritium? More importantly, why are either of these pistols offered with fiber optic sights. If its for fighting, and it has an integral rail which is indicative of running a light for low/no light shooting. Then night sights should be the only option for sights.

Could someone explain the benefits of the "arrow" shaped serrations on the top of the slide? The propaganda says its to "guide the shooters eye to the front sight". If this gun is designed as the "ideal fighting gun" then the user should have no issues aligning sights to target without the aid of slide top serrations. A sight picture so misaligned that you can see the top of the slide is indicative of a first time shooter or the mentally challenged. In addition, the black serrations don't work in low/no light.

Oh yeah, and why is an ambidextrous safety an option? It should be standard. Apparently its not an option on the compact, which leads me to another question. If these pistols are the "ideal fighting gun", then why are they different? The same features should be incorporated in both. Makes you wonder which setup with which options really is "the ideal fighting gun".

TDC
 
Good questions asked. A couple answers to share my point of view...

I don't have 3 dot sights on any of my pistols because I prefer a blacked out rear with something up front and I think I heard Costa feels the same way. The way I interpreted it, because the gun has a rail, it is intended to be used with a light which means night sights aren't necessary. My 1911 has tritium up front and a blacked out rear and in the dark with the mounted light turned on, you can't even see the tritium because it's washed out by the light. Just a different way to look at it.

No idea on the fibre optic as it does make for a nice sight picture but I wouldn't want that for a front sight if I was allowed to use my gun to have gun fights for sure.

Ambi safeties are considered a weak point in 1911s. I could be wrong and I'm too lazy to check :p but I think by default all their guns have single-sided safeties and you have to add an ambi as an option. It does make it much easier to work a 1911 left handed with an ambi safety but it's not difficult by any means to do it without. Also for the compact, if I was to use it for conceal carry, I would not want an ambi safety on it because I don't want a safety on the outer side of my body in case it gets caught on something and is disengaged. I have direct personal experience with this happening to me.

My minor grips with these guns (I definitely wouldn't refuse to take either!) is the fibre optic front sights and also the rear sight on the compact isn't hooked enough for one handed slide manipulation. This is a much bigger issue than no ambi safety or cosmetic only top strap serrations.

Also, LOL @ Costa Recon > Costa Rican
 
Good questions asked. A couple answers to share my point of view...

I don't have 3 dot sights on any of my pistols because I prefer a blacked out rear with something up front and I think I heard Costa feels the same way. The way I interpreted it, because the gun has a rail, it is intended to be used with a light which means night sights aren't necessary. My 1911 has tritium up front and a blacked out rear and in the dark with the mounted light turned on, you can't even see the tritium because it's washed out by the light. Just a different way to look at it.

No idea on the fibre optic as it does make for a nice sight picture but I wouldn't want that for a front sight if I was allowed to use my gun to have gun fights for sure.

Ambi safeties are considered a weak point in 1911s. I could be wrong and I'm too lazy to check :p but I think by default all their guns have single-sided safeties and you have to add an ambi as an option. It does make it much easier to work a 1911 left handed with an ambi safety but it's not difficult by any means to do it without. Also for the compact, if I was to use it for conceal carry, I would not want an ambi safety on it because I don't want a safety on the outer side of my body in case it gets caught on something and is disengaged. I have direct personal experience with this happening to me.

My minor grips with these guns (I definitely wouldn't refuse to take either!) is the fibre optic front sights and also the rear sight on the compact isn't hooked enough for one handed slide manipulation. This is a much bigger issue than no ambi safety or cosmetic only top strap serrations.

Also, LOL @ Costa Recon > Costa Rican


So what happens if you're running your pistol without light or the light fails? I guess not seeing your sights is ok.

Fiber optic sights are not acceptable on a fighting gun.

Ambi safeties are a weak point? I thought there were no weak points on a 1911, its the best design ever? Regardless, an ambi safety is absolutely necessary. The fear of wiping off the safety is unfounded. With the grip safety and firing pin safety there is zero chance of an ND with the manual safety disengaged.

The rear sight on the compact is no different than the rest of the rear sights on the market. Its tapered/rounded in the wrong direction, but its still very usable for single handed manipulations.

TDC
 
So what happens if you're running your pistol without light or the light fails? I guess not seeing your sights is ok.

Fiber optic sights are not acceptable on a fighting gun.

Ambi safeties are a weak point? I thought there were no weak points on a 1911, its the best design ever? Regardless, an ambi safety is absolutely necessary. The fear of wiping off the safety is unfounded. With the grip safety and firing pin safety there is zero chance of an ND with the manual safety disengaged.

The rear sight on the compact is no different than the rest of the rear sights on the market. Its tapered/rounded in the wrong direction, but its still very usable for single handed manipulations.

TDC

Night sights help for sure... but alls I was saying is it's a safe assumption that if someone buys a gun with a rail, it's because they want to mount a light in which case they aren't necessary. Even without a mounted light, using at least a handheld flashlight should be a requirement in a night time gun fight. Rule 4 of guns (the real rules, not the bogus Canadian rules) is be sure of your target, foreground, and background. You need to identify your target (I know you agree with me here!) so shooting a gun in the dark with no light at all is a huge mistake.

Ya, that's what I said. Too fragile, I sure wouldn't want to risk a rod breaking.

Yuppers, ambi safeties are a weak point on 1911s. It is the best design ever :p but if you add a bunch of bullsh*t to the best design ever to make it worse, that's not the gun's fault LOL. Quote from Nighthawk with explanation why:

"Q. Do you offer an ambi-safety on your 1911's?


A. If you choose to have an ambi-safety on your 1911, we will install one, but it will not be covered in our lifetime warranty. The 1911 was designed for a single side safety. The axle of the single side safety goes all the way through the frame. In order to create an ambi-safety, it requires taking that solid steel axle, cut it in half, and making some type of dovetail in order for it to un-snap to take the gun apart. By doing this, you have created a natural weak point. They have a tendency to work themselves loose over time, and that is why we do not cover them under warranty."


FYI this gun doesn't have a firing pin safety.. another example of bull#### added to a gun for no reason to create an unnecessary weak point.

Ya, it doesn't look impossible to use the rear sight on the compact to rack the slide but if you compare the rear sights on the Recon and the compact, the difference is obvious and it is obvious to see which one is better. That's all I was saying. It can be done with no rear sight using the front sight or the ejection port. And no need to compare other guns, a non-combat gun doesn't need a feature to allow easy one handed manipulation.
 
Night sights help for sure... but alls I was saying is it's a safe assumption that if someone buys a gun with a rail, it's because they want to mount a light in which case they aren't necessary. Even without a mounted light, using at least a handheld flashlight should be a requirement in a night time gun fight. Rule 4 of guns (the real rules, not the bogus Canadian rules) is be sure of your target, foreground, and background. You need to identify your target (I know you agree with me here!) so shooting a gun in the dark with no light at all is a huge mistake.

Ya, that's what I said. Too fragile, I sure wouldn't want to risk a rod breaking.

Yuppers, ambi safeties are a weak point on 1911s. It is the best design ever :p but if you add a bunch of bullsh*t to the best design ever to make it worse, that's not the gun's fault LOL. Quote from Nighthawk with explanation why:

"Q. Do you offer an ambi-safety on your 1911's?


A. If you choose to have an ambi-safety on your 1911, we will install one, but it will not be covered in our lifetime warranty. The 1911 was designed for a single side safety. The axle of the single side safety goes all the way through the frame. In order to create an ambi-safety, it requires taking that solid steel axle, cut it in half, and making some type of dovetail in order for it to un-snap to take the gun apart. By doing this, you have created a natural weak point. They have a tendency to work themselves loose over time, and that is why we do not cover them under warranty."


FYI this gun doesn't have a firing pin safety.. another example of bulls**t added to a gun for no reason to create an unnecessary weak point.

Ya, it doesn't look impossible to use the rear sight on the compact to rack the slide but if you compare the rear sights on the Recon and the compact, the difference is obvious and it is obvious to see which one is better. That's all I was saying. It can be done with no rear sight using the front sight or the ejection port. And no need to compare other guns, a non-combat gun doesn't need a feature to allow easy one handed manipulation.



Some good points. However, mounted lights fail, and they aren't always needed or wanted when firing in low/no light conditions.

The use of a handheld for a gunfight is debatable and errs on the side of pointless. Gun mounted lights are a far superior option to handheld. That being said, having a handheld isn't a crime and never a bad idea but not something I would bank on as my primary lighting option.

The split design of an ambi safety is a potential weak point. That being said, a non ambi gun is far more of a concern than the slim possibility of breaking the axle that is protected within the frame. The fact the design of the 1911 isn't ambi speaks to its detriment as the "best designed" handgun.

The firing pin safety I agree isn't necessary and introduces additional parts, but no more so than the 2 piece barrel link which sees extreme stresses. Target adjustable sights should never be mounted to any duty/service pistol let alone "the ideal fighting" gun. Comparing a race gun to service guns is a non contest as far as practicality goes when discussing pistols for their intended role.

TDC
 
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