Yet another example of beaurocratic politically correct idiocy

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This mornings newspaper ran a story 'Caribou thrown to the Wolves' where a herd of woodland caribou on the Slate islands in Lake Superior that had been decimated by wolves that had got there when a freeze up in 2012 allowed four wolves to cross over.In just four years the wolves had grown to 12,and in another couple of years the pack numbered 18. The woodland caribou herd plummeted from 680 animals down to 30....The governments resoponse?...
(A) relocate the remaining caribou
(B) relocate the wolves
(C) shoot the wolves
Unfortionatly the politically correct move is (A) to move the caribou-if there are any left,but nobody is asking what happens to the wolves with nothing left to eat?,or (B) relocating the wolves,but wolves being territorial this means more disruption ,or adjacent to some rancher. The OBVIOUS answer is to shoot the dam wolves,but nobody has the balls to say that....the sad part is by doing NOTHING ,the caribou with only 40 animals left in the herd will be gone likely by this winter and the wolves will starve anyway...

While this is in one island in Lake Superior,the same scenario is being played out across the country....unchecked predation due to political correctness
 
ratherbefishin said:
This mornings newspaper ran a story 'Caribou thrown to the Wolves' where a herd of woodland caribou on the Slate islands in Lake Superior that had been decimated by wolves that had got there when a freeze up in 2012 allowed four wolves to cross over.In just four years the wolves had grown to 12,and in another couple of years the pack numbered 18. The woodland caribou herd plummeted from 680 animals down to 30....The governments resoponse?...
(A) relocate the remaining caribou
(B) relocate the wolves
(C) shoot the wolves
Unfortionatly the politically correct move is (A) to move the caribou-if there are any left,but nobody is asking what happens to the wolves with nothing left to eat?,or (B) relocating the wolves,but wolves being territorial this means more disruption ,or adjacent to some rancher. The OBVIOUS answer is to shoot the dam wolves,but nobody has the balls to say that....the sad part is by doing NOTHING ,the caribou with only 40 animals left in the herd will be gone likely by this winter and the wolves will starve anyway...

While this is in one island in Lake Superior,the same scenario is being played out across the country....unchecked predation due to political correctness
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Is this not the way of nature, the herbivores move to an area multiply, the carnivores follow the herbivores, the carnivores eat the herbivores. Carnivores numbers increase, herbivore numbers decrease. And at a tipping point the opposite happens carnivore numbers fall and the herbivores numbers increase until a balance point is found. Obviously the herbivore numbers where to large and now it is the opposite, nothing wrong here just nature taking it's course.
 
Grock-co said:
Is this not the way of nature, the herbivores move to an area multiply, the carnivores follow the herbivores, the carnivores eat the herbivores. Carnivores numbers increase, herbivore numbers decrease. And at a tipping point the opposite happens carnivore numbers fall and the herbivores numbers increase until a balance point is found. Obviously the herbivore numbers where to large and now it is the opposite, nothing wrong here just nature taking it's course.
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In an unconfined space that is natures way... in a confined space, there is no "bouncing back" from zero.
 
We had the same thing happen here on Vancouver Island, for some reason the wolf population exploded in the 70's, virtually wiped out the deer population,where you would find many deer,you couldn't even see any tracks or sign.Despite pleas for preditor
control,the government opted to do nothing,the wolves starved and we now have wolves becoming a problem around Tofino.The same thing is happening to our moose populations.

Where no humans are,there is a natural balance ,but where ever humans are,the natural Ecosystem has been irretrievably altered by roads, logging, farming -we do not have a pristine wilderness anymore and that inevitably impacts the natural balance
 
The trouble is we complicate everything...doesn't take the brains of an idiot to see that when preditors dramatically INCREASE ,prey dramatically DECREASES . We have a choice, do nothing and 'let nature take its course' which results in wide population swings, or intervene. Generally less is better .
 
Bureaucrats are most comfortable when they have a rulebook to consult. When they have to "think outside the box" and make a real decision, this what results, probably a decision by an uncaring and ill-informed committee.
 
I am thinking that this case is not at all the result of too many wolves, which took their toll on the caribou numbers via predation, but that the high population of caribou in fact became too numerous that they themselves created a tipping point that resulted in their own population decrease as their food source was no longer prevalent enough to support such a population of caribou. Thus the rapid decline in numbers was in fact triggered by starvation.

Overpopulation cycles are quite pronounced and this phenomenon often occurs in areas of isolated populations such as islands because of the limited food source and quick growth cycle of the herbivores, food was the limiting reagent so to speak. Therefore, it goes without saying that the wolves will follow the same pattern as the caribou because it took that many animals to grow the wolf pack to such a size, the pack numbers swelled in response to plentiful food...so too will the wolf pack decrease in numbers in direct proportion to their current available food source.

Anyone who ranches livestock will observe the natural carrying capacity of their land and will need to supplementally feed their livestock if they wish to exceed those limits that exist within their particular pasture.
 
If the caribou had exceeded their carrying capacity,they could have culled a few caribou-or relocated the excess to areas with none(. Woodland caribou are considered endangered in some areas ) or they could have kept the wolf population to numbers that kept the caribou herd in balance....but no, they didn't do any of these things ( other than 'study'it) and the caribou are now pretty much wiped out,and the wolves will now starve. That's political correctness for you...
 
From what I understand a Grey wolf requires appx 8 to 10 lbs of meat per day to stay healthy and breed(a red wolf up to 7lbs).

So if these are Gray wolves a pack of 18 would require 152 to 180 lbs per day or in excess of 55 thousand lbs a year...how many caribou do you think that is?
 
ratherbefishin said:
If the caribou had exceeded their carrying capacity,they could have culled a few caribou-or relocated the excess to areas with none(. Woodland caribou are considered endangered in some areas ) or they could have kept the wolf population to numbers that kept the caribou herd in balance....but no, they didn't do any of these things ( other than 'study'it) and the caribou are now pretty much wiped out,and the wolves will now starve. That's political correctness for you...
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It's not our job to go around playing god. Yellowstone is a prime example of what happens when we start meddling with things. Lots of predators means there's lots of food. Probably was a pretty good thing to study.
 
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