Yet another example of beaurocratic politically correct idiocy

So you got to ask the question. ..which would have been better wildlife management?

Culling the 4 (YES 4) wolves that reached the island 4 years ago or letting these animals decimate a herd of 680 caribou and then having the wolf pack either move on or die off from starvation?

Fairly simple decision from my point of view!
 
So you got to ask the question. ..which would have been better wildlife management?

Culling the 4 (YES 4) wolves that reached the island 4 years ago or letting these animals decimate a herd of 680 caribou and then having the wolf pack either move on or die off from starvation?

Fairly simple decision from my point of view!

continual disruption of natures cycle causes this on goin problem--cull the wolves-cull the caribou--cull what next?
 
We are not 'playing God'when we intervene in an area where humans exist,because the moment humans step out of the 'hunter gatherer ' role we inevitably change the balance of nature by logging,building roads and creating farmland,all of which change the ecosystem.The best we can do is try and create a sustainable balance.Hunting is part of maintaining that balance, refusing to allow hunting helps create an imbalance
 
Those of you talking about the food requirements of a wolf pack need to take into account the fact wolves also kill for sport.......or to teach the young to hunt. Either way I have seen first hand the devastation a wolf pack can cause in a localized area. I saw 3 fresh moose kills in 3 days, by the same pack and all within 600 mtrs. Not one of the moose was more than 10% eaten..........Welcome to the reality of wolf predation and wanton killing..........they even pushed the 2 grizzlies from the valley, that had lived there for more than 10 years previous.
 
Those of you talking about the food requirements of a wolf pack need to take into account the fact wolves also kill for sport.......or to teach the young to hunt. Either way I have seen first hand the devastation a wolf pack can cause in a localized area. I saw 3 fresh moose kills in 3 days, by the same pack and all within 600 mtrs. Not one of the moose was more than 10% eaten..........Welcome to the reality of wolf predation and wanton killing..........they even pushed the 2 grizzlies from the valley, that had lived there for more than 10 years previous.

I heard many similar stories from my Grandfather from during his days as a dam tender on Fredrickhouse Lake in the 40’s. Guys like him lived in those remote areas with the nearest civilization hours away and with all their time spent in the bush they witnessed mother nature first hand much more so than 99% of the scat collecting biologists running around. Gramp used to say a wolf kills to kill, not just to eat and when anyone would say they only kill the sick, weak and injured animals he used to say “I’ve never seen a wolf running around with a stethoscope and thermometer.
 
The island obviously had a finite carrying capacity and while they proved it could support caribou, without predators,there was nothing to keep the herd in checks and it ballooned to over 600 animals .This left two choices, either cull enough caribou to keep the herd within the capacity of the land to support them, or cull enough wolves to maintain a sustainable balance of caribou.Obviously 18 wolves was too many because they decimated the herd to 40 and within a very short time,zero.Letting 'nature run its course' will result in zero caribou and zero wolves and if that's what they want,so be it.I say we can do better,we can duplicate a reasonable 'natural' prey /predator balance by intervention rather than losing everything
 
I don’t see it as meddling, more of a choice I guess. We either want more caribou on that island or more wolves or a certain combination of both for whatever purpose the majority agrees to.
Everything we do can be considered “unnatural”. We domesticate animals to create a stable, easy food source. We cultivate and genetically modify crops for the same reason. Develope medicines and treatments. All things that have made humans so successful (survive, expand, populate). I find it funny how many people benefit from all this but at the same time seem to hate and somehow separate themselves from being human. But I also think attitudes like that must only exist in our privileged and easy society. I have a feeling if people were hungry and struggling to survive, their moral stances would be a little different. Personally I accept the fact that in order for me to eat,survive and reproduce, that things have to die wether I do it or not.

I don’t think caribou are special, and I don’t think Wolves are evil. I believe wolves have strong instincts to kill because that’s how they evolved and survived. No sense putting a human emotion to it. It doesn’t make sense that a highly evolved predator would not take advantage of an opportunity to kill just because it wasn’t hungry. Doesn’t mean that its evil or bad. And no one should believe predators only kill the “sick and the weak”. That’s an over simplified explanation that some people take literally.

Sorry for the longwinded post.
 
Caribou is yummy to many--tiss the season to eat jolly--lol--ps i know im not adding much to content but a hard try at humor.
 
I don't know about Ontario woodland caribou populations ,but in BC they are in trouble and that makes them worth managing.We had a similar situation with mountain marmets,they needed help to survive and that meant taking out some predators. Doing nothing might be 'natural' but would have resulted in that subspecies going extinct.
 
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