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I just got these 2 in 9.3x62 (.366 Wagner) and before I try it,can you drop a rnd. in the chamber and close the bolt without breaking the extractor? These will be put into service as bear monitor rifles(as long as Boomer ok's them) and he better !! lol



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I just got these to in 9.3x62 (.366 Wagner) and before I try it,can you drop a rnd. in the chamber and close the bolt without breaking the extractor?
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Yes, I've done it hundreds of times with my zastava 30.06,,,
 
I know that some do and some don't, it's looks like this one will,but people will be taught to feed from the mag.Has anybody put a pic rail on one of these,might go with reflex sights at a later date?


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before I try it,can you drop a rnd. in the chamber and close the bolt without breaking the extractor?
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Very attractive rifles you got there pounder. And, genuine 98's too!!! The real deal!. ('scuse me 'n pardon all to 'ell there Douglas ;)) LoL.

Pure '98's dont take kindly to being forced push fed.
They can be 'smithed to close on a loose round, but the few that I personally have known so modified ... lost some reliability of extraction. Sometimes, the empty stayed in the chamber ... needing two or three bolt cycles to extract/eject.

Replaced those bodged extractors, 'n put 'em back to CRF as Mauser originally intended them to function.
One soon gets habituated to slipping the rounds down and back. Even find meself loading the odd PF that way, lol!.
 
Most of mine have been adjusted to push feed reliably.
The last CRF I bought hasn't and it catches me at the range.
These are the days I'm glad I full length resize.
Bump the butt and out it comes.
Sort of like operating different equipment. Need to remember which one yer on,
so to speak and use the appropriate habits.
S'pecially around them big white fur critters you have up north.

Pair of great looking gals there Pounder.
 
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Very attractive rifles you got there pounder. And, genuine 98's too!!! The real deal!. ('scuse me 'n pardon all to 'ell there Douglas ;)) LoL.

Pure '98's dont take kindly to being forced push fed.
They can be 'smithed to close on a loose round, but the few that I personally have known so modified ... lost some reliability of extraction. Sometimes, the empty stayed in the chamber ... needing two or three bolt cycles to extract/eject.

Replaced those bodged extractors, 'n put 'em back to CRF as Mauser originally intended them to function.
One soon gets habituated to slipping the rounds down and back. Even find meself loading the odd PF that way, lol!.
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No need to apologize to me there vviking, I'm totally bifeedual, if it works and looks good it's good with me, PF or CRF makes no difference to me. Unlike some of these gotta have CRF guys...........
 
Recently acquired a Zastava M-70 Mannlicher in ".366 Wagner"



Just doing some pre reloading initial checks and made up a dummy round to find the maximum C.O.A.L. Dropped the over length dummy round into the chamber, closed the bolt, opened and extracted, no problem.
That being said, I've never had or experienced any problems so I've never really given the topic a second thought. So, for me, :redface:it may be a little late in the day to ask, but does anyone have photo or drawings that could be posted to show the difference between the 'push feed' and 'controlled feed'? As on my Zastava M-70 improved Mauser action, the large claw with flatbar looking bar along the outside of the bolt identifies the action as a CF but, again, I've never had a problem, closing on a round placed in the chamber. Over the years, I've had a few of PF and CF and haven't, to date, experienced any difficulties with either.
 
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c-fbmi said:
I'm totally bifeedual,
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:evil::cheers: ... There. Outed.
Looky?, where is ya?. C'mon man, get yer arse on this, we got 'im on the ropes ... at (rare) disadvantage.

Unlike some of these gotta have CRF guys...........
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Sir.
I'll have you know, there be deadly Cental. Ont. ice worms hereabouts. Why just yesterday, the -20C activated strain 'o bicrotchual snow fleas, they got right aggressive indeed.
Damn fortunate fer this 'ol coot, .. they're some skeered of CRF Mousers.
 
it may be a little late in the day to ask, but does anyone have photo or drawings that could be posted to show the difference between the 'push feed' and 'controlled feed'?
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Too stunned to be posting pics for ya Johnn, but Olson's classic tome "Bolt Action Rifles" is a masterpiece of education for any serious Bolt Guy.
 
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Too stunned to be posting pics for ya Johnn, but Olson's classic tome "Bolt Action Rifles" is a masterpiece of education for any serious Bolt Guy.
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Not a problem but as I understand it, what I posted earlier is the basics of identification of a controlled feed bolt. I just thought if photos and/or drawings could be posted, it might clarify things for everyone as it seems to be a question that resurfaces from time to time. Further to my comment of closing the bolt of my Zastava on a dummy round in the chamber without issue. in a book I have on Bolt Action Rifles, expanded 4th edition by Frank de Hass. In it they indicate, the bolt can possibly be closed on a cartridge in the chamber, but sometimes it takes a good deal of force. Apparently, this required effort can be lessened a bit by taking/grinding back the extractor claw a little. I'll look for that book you mentioned at future gun shows.:)Thank you.
 
My God vviking, you've been "'Lookaneesed" !!!!!! What happened to your passable English and semi correct punctuation.........you've gone from somewhat understandable to unintelligible.........what happened?????
 
The extractors usually breaks when there's not enough space on the side of the receiver. If the space is enough and the extractor claw as the correct angle, it usually takes the bump over the rim easily. Some manufacturers say it's OK to do so, others don't suggest it.
I've done that many time myself withoutn harm, but I've also seen many broken extractors... so there' no real consencus about that.
I think the directive to push a fresh round into the magazine is more of a cautious to avoid sudden breakage... but, as I said, I've done this many times and I still wear my manly attributes....
 
c-fbmi said:
My God vviking, you've been "'Lookaneesed" !!!!!! What happened to your passable English and semi correct punctuation.........you've gone from somewhat understandable to unintelligible.........what happened?????
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Dang it der 'looky ... now lookaseehere what'cha gone 'n done got me sunk L. testicular deep inta?.
Classic one on one thread hyjack'n, wit dat Really Big Toothed Critter slay'n, but ever so eloquently verbose, bifeedual master of the "stuff a bit more powder in there 'n see wha'll app'n" discipline of traditional Can. gunnutery.

Solo?, nahh... Too much Not Worthy at the moment.
Got me back outta the frigid bush just now ... need some rye whickee 'n shuteye.
Oh, sorry pounder ... ya got yer thread back though lol. ;):D
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All issues and potential damage can be forgotten if you load the magazine. It's a Mauser.

Break the habit. Once you master what I call the "two round slam"' you will be good to go. You will forget why you ever loaded directly into the chamber.
 
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Teach them to reach over with their weak hand and press the rear half of the extractor inward, hard, while closing the bolt.

It's possible to get a round in front of the extractor, for example a botched reload. They should know to identify this and immediaty help the extractor climb the rim, rather than the natural tendency to retract the bolt and cause a double feed.
 
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