FINALLY Mossberg 715T/P magazine capacity decision...!!!

Speaking as a fan of the M&P 15-22: a 10 round cap on a 22LR is absolutely a huge pain in the arse. Almost makes it not worth it. (But I really love the M&P so I just bought a lot of mags.)

I was under the impression that the Mossberg pistols were not going to be sold in Canada, so why is this a problem? The pistols will be restricted so the RCMP will be able to control importation - this issue should never touch the rifles. Is Mossberg planning on selling the pistols in Canada? If so, then it's a stupid decision. The best they can hope for is a wash: they will only sell a few hundred and it will cost them a few hundred sales of the rifle. Doesn't make sense to me.

But talk about obeying the letter and not the spirit of a law... A 25 round 22LR is about as dangerous as a 10 round 22LR, no more no less. This is more idiotic nanny state-ism.
 
For all the #### that the RCMP firearms lab puts us through, the emails from Bill Etter always seem reasonable and have good explanations... even if we don't agree with the interpretation of the law.. Has anyone ever met him or know him personally? Just interested if he is one of the guys on 'our side' in the Firearms Lab.
 
I think people need to stop asking the RCMP for clarification on any magazine or firearm, because every time they answer something becomes prohibited.
They are not are friends.so STFU
 
blasted_saber said:
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. You would hope that the judges would be lenient, however.
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You're correct. Unfortunately, it's up to the legal firearms owner to read the minds of the RCMP whenever they decide to change something that effects a HUGE percent of the firearms community. I wouldn't be surprised to learn there were more 715T's in Canada than CZ858's effected by their recent reclassification.

This nonsense has to stop, or we are going to be left with nothing.
 
crashcollins said:
Yup i've seen the packaging that specificly states "for use in 715T rifle only" many many of these mags were built for rifles before the pistol even existed. Many People bought these guns and mags specificly for the 25 round mag capacity.

Not much point ( at least to me) owning a rimfire rifle that has a mag cap. And the 715T is just a 702 plinster in a clamshell that looks like a AR so the mags are interchangable, thats why 702 mags were included. The early 715T rifles were sold with a 10 round 702 magazine, the 25 rounders didn't come till after.
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Doesn't matter if the package says for 715t only. If the mossberg MVP (bolt action which uses ar mags) comes with a standard capacity ar mag (30 round) that's said for use in the MVP only. Would it fly? Nope.
 
00aught said:
Doesn't matter if the package says for 715t only. If the mossberg MVP (bolt action which uses ar mags) comes with a standard capacity ar mag (30 round) that's said for use in the MVP only. Would it fly? Nope.
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That's because of an entirely different set of magazine restrictions. Rimfire magazines are largely and for the most part unaffected by this.
 
So let me get this straight. Even though the 715p isn't being sold in Canada the magazines are still prohibited? But they won't let us use vz58 pistol mags because they aren't sold on Canada...
 
2tall2 said:
Why would the OP contact the RCMP? If a decision is made, it's up to the RCMP to make the public aware. To me, this just muddies the situation.
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I initiated contact as in not one forum, anywhere, does anyone have an answer to this question. Law enforcement doesn't care to hear "well, I didn't know it was prohibited" as a response. Frankly, don't need the hassle. I just posted my response from an authority at the RCMP. What individuals do with that information is up to you all.
 
weldboss said:
I think people need to stop asking the RCMP for clarification on any magazine or firearm, because every time they answer something becomes prohibited.
They are not are friends.so STFU
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Yah, just claim "I didn't know" that should work. Good luck with that.
 
SparkOfLight said:
That's because of an entirely different set of magazine restrictions. Rimfire magazines are largely and for the most part unaffected by this.
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Not when it comes to pistols! Rimfire and centre fire have the same restrictions with pistols And that magazine fits in the pistol. you're not getting what I'm saying. Just because a package says something. Doesn't mean the RCMP care.

So like I said. Doesn't matter if it says 715t only.
 
00aught said:
So let me get this straight. Even though the 715p isn't being sold in Canada the magazines are still prohibited? But they won't let us use vz58 pistol mags because they aren't sold on Canada...
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That would make an interesting court case, perhaps.

With respect to the RCMP not notifying anyone, if I put my tinfoil hat on, I would wonder if they maybe want a few charges laid on prohibited devices, so when the courts are tied up, they can say, "See, if we had the gun registry, none of this would have happened."

</tinfoil>
 
weldboss said:
I think people need to stop asking the RCMP for clarification on any magazine or firearm, because every time they answer something becomes prohibited.
They are not are friends.so STFU
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You're right. Much better idea to get caught with a Prohibited device rather then just asking.
 
It's not ignorance when the RCMP make no attempt to make the public aware of their decision.
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There were almost 60,000 new laws introduced in the US last year. Unless you are a legal scholar, no one will be privy to every new law.
 
00aught said:
Not when it comes to pistols! Rimfire and centre fire have the same restrictions with pistols And that magazine fits in the pistol. you're not getting what I'm saying. Just because a package says something. Doesn't mean the RCMP care.

So like I said. Doesn't matter if it says 715t only.
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No, I understand what you're saying but a 30 round AR magazine is limited to five rounds because of the magazine restriction placed on almost all modern magazines with certain exceptions being the Lee Enfield, M1 Garand, etc. You'll have to excuse me if I am misquoting the Firearms Act, I apologize for this. Yes, pistol magazines must be limited to 10 rounds, but the same logic that is apparently prohibiting the 25 round 715T magazine, we should see the introduction of the 10 round pistol magazine for the VZ58.

The simple solution is for butler creek to swoop in and save the day like they did with the magazine issues that arose with the introduction of the Charger...that and the obvious elimination of the Firearms Act.

I love being a criminal because I purchased something legally.
 
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Be thankful that they ruled the mags are restricted only to ten rounds. Go back and read the law on capacities for handguns that are NOT "commonly available in Canada" (hint: it's a lot less than ten rounds).

As far as aftermarket mags are concerned, forget it. It has already been established the rifle and pistol share the same mag so any aftermarket creation is automatically guilty by association. If you want high cap, get a 10/22.
 
AK said:
Be thankful that they ruled the mags are restricted only to ten rounds. Go back and read the law on capacities for handguns that are NOT "commonly available in Canada" (hint: it's a lot less than ten rounds).

As far as aftermarket mags are concerned, forget it. It has already been established the rifle and pistol share the same mag so any aftermarket creation is automatically guilty by association. If you want high cap, get a 10/22.
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I didn't want to say anything about this...

I suppose we shall see what the "official" ruling is.
 
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