Enfield AIA mags--How legal are they?

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Can anyone help me to interpret the CFA on magazine capacity?
Specifically, I'm trying to discover if the "AIA Enfield" magazines are considered "legal" when used in an M-14.
I think they are legal according to the act. This would be good news for Canadian M-14 owners.
 
Can you legally own an Enfield AIA magazine? Yes. Then it is legal. The classification of the magazine doesn't change, regardless of what you put it in. The classification is based on the weapon it was DESIGNED for. A bolt action centerfire has no magazine restriction. Because the device is not prohibited, it is permitted.
 
It's these little quirks, that sometimes work in our favor, that fuel the "haters" within the CFC/RCMP. They hat it and they then spend our/their resources pushing for classification changes that make no sense from a public safety standpoint.
 
Lexthedestroyer said:
A bolt action centerfire has no magazine restriction.
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Unless it's a Lee-Enfield.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462

Regulations said:
5. The components and parts of weapons, accessories, and cartridge magazines listed in Part 4 of the schedule are prohibited devices for the purposes of paragraphs (a) and (d) of the definition “prohibited device” in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.
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Part 4 of the schedule said:
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
...
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
...​
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
...
(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
...​
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This is because of full-auto Enfield conversions like the Charlton Rifle. The magazines would be limited to five because of the possibility they could be used in a Charlton, but the exception allows ten rounds (and no more).

Incidentally, paragraph 2.b of Part 4 exempts non-reproduction mags made for the Charlton as well.
 
Appleton Hartree said:
Unless it's a Lee-Enfield.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462




This is because of full-auto Enfield conversions like the Charlton Rifle. The magazines would be limited to five because of the possibility they could be used in a Charlton, but the exception allows ten rounds (and no more).

Incidentally, paragraph 2.b of Part 4 exempts non-reproduction mags made for the Charlton as well.
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Right you are, good sir. I always forget about the "Lee Enfield Clause" as it were, mostly because it doesn't make sense... (Not that anything else in the FA does, but I digress) But the main thing to take away here, is that the AIA magazine is not a prohibited device (ie. you can legally purchase and own it), therefore, it is not prohibited. Makes sense, right?
 
Just to state it again, these magazines have previously been brought to the attention of the RCMP/Firearms lab, and they were given the green light. Granted, their word isn't worth the paper it's printed on anymore, but they have confirmed that these magazines are acceptable in their full capacity.
 
;)The magazines are made and designed for the AIA bolt action rifle. No restrictions on bolt action rifles which makes the magazine legal.

I was not aware that these magazines work in M1A rifles. What a happy coincidence for me since i own both rifles and have magazines for the AIA on order.;)
 
Got pic of 25 rounder installed in M-14?

Today is a good day for you!

I'm going to order one, too, but I can't decide between the 20 or the 25.
Could someone post a pic, or some lynx to 25 rnd mags to see how it would
look in an M-14?
I don't want it sticking down too low...

He says, "...available starting in Sept '14..." I'm wondering how late into
the fall I'd have to wait. How many orders have been placed already?
 
CMI's 25 round M1A mags do stick out quite a ways. People are used to the look of the 20 round magazines and most pouches are designed for that size, but the 25 round mag allows you a little bit more height if you plan to use the mag as a monopod.

Honestly, the more mags people order the more serious CMI is going to take us Canucks. We're a small market and the US firearms industry is still going strong. Take a look around and see how many different makes and models of magazines are STILL out of stock after Sandy Hook.
 
Another quick question on these mags: how are these held in place in an M14 action ? Looks like there's no hole on the front for the oprod spring guide, and no plate on the rear for the mag catch?
 
Lexthedestroyer said:
Another quick question on these mags: how are these held in place in an M14 action ? Looks like there's no hole on the front for the oprod spring guide, and no plate on the rear for the mag catch?
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The mags are identical to the M14 mags except for the hole in the front of the mag. They are held in at the front by friction with the receiver. I have used a 10-round AIA Enfield mag extensively and have not experienced any mag feeding issues. Really looking forward to trying the 20 round mags from NR.
 
Legal, but the magazines won't have any markings on them indicating that they're for use in the AIA.

So you might find yourself in a scenario in which a LEO who is hell bent on screwing with you will just charge you with a Criminal Code charge anyways, have it go to court, once you retain your 20 thousand dollar lawyer, and then drop the case last minute. Congrats! you're free! and you lost 20 grand.

So your mileage may vary.
 
Not doubting the legality whatsoever, and fear of unjustified prosecution won't keep me from owning these. But I would really like to see a formal RCMP memo stating these specific mags good to go. As long as an inquiry to big brother won't stir up crap...
 
Lexthedestroyer said:
Another quick question on these mags: how are these held in place in an M14 action ? Looks like there's no hole on the front for the oprod spring guide, and no plate on the rear for the mag catch?
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There is a tab on the back, it's just a different shape. The important thing to remember is that M14 magazines simply don't hold in place in an AIA Enfield. Only AIA Enfield mags will lock into an AIA Enfield.
 
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