Bear spray experiences, had an interesting one last night.

^^^^ pretty much this ^^^^

I've had an ATC for protection from predatory wildlife for years... and have had lots of bear encounters, even a few bluff charges. Never had to pull the trigger.. the most recent one two years ago I'm sure lots of trigger happy 'scared of bears' types would have been blazing away... and honestly if that bear came 1m closer I would have opened fire. But it didn't, and I didn't. Each of three charges stopped a bit farther away, and eventually, when it got the right wind, it sauntered off.
 
That's all fine. Now imagine you're hiking or camping with your kids and you find yourself in the same situation. It's not just you who gets eaten but possibly you and a child. I've been in that situation in provincial parks in Ontario with black bears.

Fortunately the bears are big chickens mostly, but I've had to stay up all night several times to keep a fire going and staying visible to ward off people adapted bears in Algonquin and Bon Echo parks (back woods in Bon Echo.) Having my kids sleeping in a tent near me gave me lots of time to wonder about the effectiveness of the bear spray. Would have loved a shotgun.
 
So have I, just last year my wife and I were within three yards of a black bear, with our kids on our backs in carriers, while hiking in the Rockies. I had my .375 H&H as it was Elk & Sheep season and you never know. Ending? Bear's fine, we're fine, wife understands why I need work guns. That's the greatest victory. Nothing wrong with carrying a gun, I carry one most of my life as I spend more time in the bush than home, we're just commenting on not being too eager to shoot.
 
Cannot confirm specific to bears but having spent most of my life around many different types of animals, both domestic and wild, when they lay their ears back they are pi$$ed.
 
They have many different signals which you should have learned to interpret by now. By the time they lay their ears back you are already in pretty deep.
 
That's all fine. Now imagine you're hiking or camping with your kids and you find yourself in the same situation. It's not just you who gets eaten but possibly you and a child. I've been in that situation in provincial parks in Ontario with black bears.

Fortunately the bears are big chickens mostly, but I've had to stay up all night several times to keep a fire going and staying visible to ward off people adapted bears in Algonquin and Bon Echo parks (back woods in Bon Echo.) Having my kids sleeping in a tent near me gave me lots of time to wonder about the effectiveness of the bear spray. Would have loved a shotgun.

THANK-YOU.... You are on the ball, enough is enough with the Male bravado BS, UP the the stakes like somethingspecial. Who says it will only happen on you own, who says it will be under Ideal conditions? And what was that comment? "gave me lots of time to wonder about the effectiveness of the bear spray. Would have loved a shotgun."
 
Interesting. Can anyone confirm that?

Please, everyone raise a hand to show who was paying attention to the ears rather than the bear that WAS AS BIG AS A HOUSE AND RAN AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT?

In reality he is probably 100% right, look at the breeds of short eared dogs or all cats. Their ear positions do show just how pissed off they are. In all honesty, I for one will not be looking at ears.
 
There is no need to shoot a bear at 30 yds, most bluff charges end way closer than that. Try shooting a Grizz in Alberta at 30 yds and see where it gets you.

What is the closest you have been to a bear? Honestly, I want to know. I am not trying to jerk you around one this one, because this is in reality a serious topic, and a very serious situation. I don't know your experiences with bears, just as you don't know mine. That said, I will tell you about one of mine. I was the ball for the Bear, she walked out on me with 2 cubs. I had no gun, no spray, just a stupid look on my face and a bad needing of a diaper change. Do you know what I remember the most about that hour, actually it was probably only a minute.... it was the hot wet moist breathing down my back, no actually it was that and thinking, "*&^%, my step dad told me about watching Grizzlies trying to get Salmon out of the containers in the river... then raise up of their front paws and sort of almost hop up and down on the containers with their front paws as if to bust the container to get at the Salmon inside it". I can honestly tell you, I don't drink... period. But I was sorely tempted to that night. I did walk away with out a mark on me, but inside, that mark will never go away.

If anyone on here tells me they felt scared for their life, or worst yet, were with a friend, girlfriend, wife, KIDS... and dropped a Black Bear, Grizzly or Polar Bear, I don't give a damn about distance, I will chalk it up to, sorry bear, but I'd rather a dead bear than a dead human because lets face it, just for a second, try and think of what it would be like to be attacked by a bear. And truly, I hope, I am the only one that has that close of contact to be able to visualize what it could have ended up like. I can think of few worst ways to go.

The link shows just how little time you can be given, and while I think the guy was lucky, I feel that he was stupid and took a chance. Don't get me wrong, I am glad every one is alive, but that bear should be dead because if that warning shot didn't deter that bear, he would have been in a world of hurt. I won't be shocked if Grizzly Adams contradicts me, but that charge was not a bluff. And I would bet that most of the guys on here would not be willing to bet their lives or anyone elses that that charge was a bluff. And by the way migrant hunter that is what you, I and everyone else is betting on, your`s, mine, and their lives. No respawn, no do overs, just one chance to get it right. And I promise you this migrant hunter, IF, tomorrow, next week, next year, you message me and tell me, you had to drop a bear, I will say nothing, no ì told you so, no giving you a hard time, but I will say to you if we ever meet I will have a drink with you and you can tell me all about it but I am damn glad you are alive. Because , like 2fat2fly said, "Me, if I feel threatened, I'll engage, be that 200 yards, 20 yards or 2 yards."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmB41C9qbqE
 
By the way, I almost forgot for all those who care....

how fast can a Grizzly run? A grizzly bear was once clocked while running at 41 miles per hour by a ranger in Denali National Park, Alaska. Thats almost 66 Kilometers per hour. So, even if we drop it to the popular number of 30 miles per hour that is still 48 Kilometers per hour. So, 30 yards or 27.blahblahblah with a bear that is the equivalent of a man eating VW Beetle traveling at 48 kph.... that is 13.3 meters per second with animal that can be over 800 pounds....
 
On tundra, there is a type of hummocky grass called tussocks (there is an older very unpolitically correct term for them) that are very difficult to walk quickly though because if you step on them they give way and you can twist an ankle or a knee. Especially when you have a heavy pack. So we tend to go slow and easy through them to preserve our legs.

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I watched a barrenland grizzly, maybe 350 lbs suddenly break into a sprint over some really bad tussocks. I was a couple of hundred metres away watching him. He was probably going after a ground squirrel.

He was running faster over the tussocks than any man, even Ben Johnson could ever run on a flat track.

It was very impressive and also very intimidating for a field man on the tundra with nothing but binoculars to keep me out of trouble (in Russia, we couldn't have guns, flares, air horns). You cannot outrun them. No way.
 
Frankly, I'm a bit embarrassed of much of the way this thread is headed now, and I should have foreseen it coming. The "Shoot first ask questions later" mentality is in my opinion, a mark of cowardice, not savvy, and is creeping north as people come up looking for jobs and end up in the bush.

mcpherson284, where was this, odds are a Grizzly by the behaviour I'm presuming, and when was it reported? There will still be a report on it and likely small town news stories, bear attacks where they actually touch you still make the news and often generate public warnings. I don't doubt you as a person, but I also can't talk to a person as we sit here, and I don't trust the internet. You will likely provide the whole case and prove the account credible, it is an extreme account, especially without injury which is surprising.

I was huffed at just two days ago by a pissed off Black that actually circled the bush around me. I finally saw it after hearing much huffing as I backed out back towards my machine, it crossed the access where it is shown there exposing itself. I had tried chasing him off with a helicopter prior to landing and he didn't enjoy that, and was agitated enough to return to his green patch and attempt to take it back. Normal bear behaviour, and no reason for him to die it happens several times a summer, we have extreme numbers of bears in this area. He was about 30 yards away at his closest. He had me on guard, but no more so than driving an icy highway- this is normal life working in the bush in bear populated areas.

The pic below was last fall, a very unhappy Grizzly, that's a cell phone pic it was close. One quick bluff, and then it left. Again, bear fine, I'm fine. In that entire area there are four Grizzlies, in a range of about a hundred square kilometres. One getting shot because somebody didn't understand bear behaviour and figured "Better safe than sorry" would be a tragedy, not a commendable tale. The Grizzlies are also encountered often, as well, they're brave. I'm likely off the the Muskwa again hunting Grizzly soon, and have no qualms about taking a bear in season with a tag. Destroying bears, especially in areas with lower populations like where much of the Grizzly incidents occur down south is an embarrassment. Worst part is, most go unreported, and end up as vague tales.

Spray really doesn't work well from what I've seen, in my opinion. Guns work well if you're adept in shot placement, but shouldn't be employed nearly as much as they are, again in my opinion. Seems many here seem to think they should be used like spray, just instead of it. A fellow I work with, his father shot a Grizzly in "defence", hearing the story many times, all the happened was he bumped into a sow with cubs on a trail and the sow stood her ground and became agitated. He could have backed out, but figured better safe than sorry. In that area, there are almost no Grizzlies left. This will happen in more places as people who come from areas with less bears move into more bear populated regions, and completely mishandle bear encounters due to a frontier mentality. I just hope the mentality stays away from the bears, it is an embarrassment and really does make us look like a bunch of trigger happy yokels. Have I had to shoot problem bears? Yes, but it was a well thought out decision with CO approval or a tag on a routine problem bear, I've never shot one on a charge or because it "creeped me out".

This thread is about to go downhill fast, the inevitable way of all "Bear Defence" threads… :) I think I'm out from here on.


 
Frankly, I'm a bit embarrassed of much of the way this thread is headed now, and I should have foreseen it coming. The "Shoot first ask questions later" mentality is in my opinion, a mark of cowardice, not savvy, and is creeping north as people come up looking for jobs and end up in the bush.

mcpherson284, where was this, odds are a Grizzly by the behaviour I'm presuming, and when was it reported? There will still be a report on it and likely small town news stories, bear attacks where they actually touch you still make the news and often generate public warnings. I don't doubt you as a person, but I also can't talk to a person as we sit here, and I don't trust the internet. You will likely provide the whole case and prove the account credible, it is an extreme account, especially without injury which is surprising.

I was huffed at just two days ago by a pissed off Black that actually circled the bush around me. I finally saw it after hearing much huffing as I backed out back towards my machine, it crossed the access where it is shown there exposing itself. I had tried chasing him off with a helicopter prior to landing and he didn't enjoy that, and was agitated enough to return to his green patch and attempt to take it back. Normal bear behaviour, and no reason for him to die it happens several times a summer, we have extreme numbers of bears in this area. He was about 30 yards away at his closest. He had me on guard, but no more so than driving an icy highway- this is normal life working in the bush in bear populated areas.

The pic below was last fall, a very unhappy Grizzly, that's a cell phone pic it was close. One quick bluff, and then it left. Again, bear fine, I'm fine. In that entire area there are four Grizzlies, in a range of about a hundred square kilometres. One getting shot because somebody didn't understand bear behaviour and figured "Better safe than sorry" would be a tragedy, not a commendable tale. The Grizzlies are also encountered often, as well, they're brave. I'm likely off the the Muskwa again hunting Grizzly soon, and have no qualms about taking a bear in season with a tag. Destroying bears, especially in areas with lower populations like where much of the Grizzly incidents occur down south is an embarrassment. Worst part is, most go unreported, and end up as vague tales.

Spray really doesn't work well from what I've seen, in my opinion. Guns work well if you're adept in shot placement, but shouldn't be employed nearly as much as they are, again in my opinion. Seems many here seem to think they should be used like spray, just instead of it. A fellow I work with, his father shot a Grizzly in "defence", hearing the story many times, all the happened was he bumped into a sow with cubs on a trail and the sow stood her ground and became agitated. He could have backed out, but figured better safe than sorry. In that area, there are almost no Grizzlies left. This will happen in more places as people who come from areas with less bears move into more bear populated regions, and completely mishandle bear encounters due to a frontier mentality. I just hope the mentality stays away from the bears, it is an embarrassment and really does make us look like a bunch of trigger happy yokels. Have I had to shoot problem bears? Yes, but it was a well thought out decision with CO approval or a tag on a routine problem bear, I've never shot one on a charge or because it "creeped me out".

This thread is about to go downhill fast, the inevitable way of all "Bear Defence" threads… :) I think I'm out from here on.



Given your original post, where did you think it would go ? :confused:

Grizz
 
It's all in the ears. If the bear's ears are back, it for real. If they are forward, then it's a bluff. if I encounter ears in either position, I will decide in the moment what I'm going to do.

I was told this as well and I always thought, when you get a large Grizzly charging at you will you see the ears or will your concentration be on the brown stain event in your pants as you try your hardest not to crap yourself?

I got my answer about 6 years ago. My Mother was out on a Moose hunt and was charged by a large Grizzly just after making a moose call. So after she calmed down and I could speak to her about it, was at least 9 months.........I asked her about the ear thing. She told me to forget looking for the ears, and all your going to see is a large wall of fur moving at you faster than you would have thought, all your concentration will be focused on getting the round chambered, aiming and firing!

Her friend that told us about the ear thing, has lots of experience and said that if the ears are up, they usually stop about 30 yards or so then intimidate get bored and move on, or they can put them back and resume the charge. Said he has been charged like 20 times over the years while doing wildlife photography.

So, I won't be looking at the ears, only how close they get, if they are moving quickly like flat out, I start shooting at 100 yards.... no warning shots!
 
Given your original post, where did you think it would go ? :confused:

Grizz

Rather unfortunately, I had mistakenly thought one could share their experience with bear spray and not be taken as advocating shooting any bear that looks at you sideways, even from as far as 200 yards apparently. You are right, in that this is CGN and a bear thread, and I ought to have known better.
 
Were the ears up or down? ;)

http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/7878/the-amount-of-time-you-have-to-react-when-a-grizzly-bear-starts-charging-you


Grizz
 
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