Tavor vs AR, Apples to Apples Comparison Part 1 (50 yards)

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Figured what better way to compare these 2 than to compare the Tavor to an AR designed for the same type of use. Will do part 2 at 100 yards next week. All tests will be done the same way as this one:
-Same day
-Same optic (Vortex Viper PST at 4x swapped over and roughly zero'd each time for the AE AR223 55gr) Interestingly, when swapping my EoTech between the 2, it's only off by about 4" at 100 with the AR shooting lower (assuming due to lost velocity out of the shorter barrel)
-Same overall length rifles
-Both have the stock crap triggers (will be comparing the Geissele triggers for each when the Tavor trigger comes in)
-Rounds from the same box of ammo each time
-Even using the same mag
-All shots done with the barrels just barely too hot to hold onto

First the rifles:
DD light 11.5" barrel and all related DD parts in an Aero Precision upper and lower (Ghost Gun FTW! Lol).
Tavor, umm, well it's a Tavor.


All shot with just the front of each rifle resting on the bag.
Top row is Tavor, bottom is AR. These are the groups I was getting very consistently today from each, aside from the lower round of the Tavor AE 62 was my oops, and the UMC these are by far the best groups I've got out of it. Apparently it decided to show off for the camera.
Ammo from left to right all FMJ:
AE AR223 55gr black box, AE 223 62gr red box, Hornady 223 55gr shiny box, Rem UMC 55gr yellow box, Norinco 223/5.56 55gr beat up musty dusty crate (Lot 21)


Any thoughts on any other tests or comparisons to do, I'm all ears.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
What is the weight of the two rifles?
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Good call. I'll weigh them and add that info to the first post. I'd estimate the Tavor is about a lb heavier.

onetwentyish said:
Seems like it will be interesting. I would have preffered a closer AR barrel length though, and just chalk the bullpups narturally shorter over all length as a point for the Tavor. Bullpups will always just be more in a smaller package.
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Thought about that, but besides not having a long barrel AR, it's no longer apples to apples as that is now built for more open field combat and longer distances. The slightly less exaggerated version of comparing a rifle to a handgun. Lol. I'll happily add one to the tests if someone has one they'd like to volunteer for use though :)

Gummo said:
Doesn't say much for the Norinco, does it...
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Nope. For practicing close quarters it works great, no problems with cycling or firing, but pretty sure they're not bullets, they're small handicapped chinese children pretending to fly and making airplane noises. Sorry, that was mean to say, the handicapped chinese children would be more accurate.

TV-PressPass said:
Friends don't let friends put Norinco in their rifles.

Nice lineup Camaro!
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Thanks!
 
mikethebike said:
yah nice test but you need to go further out to 100, i did a tavor test at 50 and 100, very different stuff going on at 100.
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Oh come on, I read every post in your ammo thread, just read my first one. LOL. 100 will be part 2 and will be doing it next week, and they'll both be getting Geissele triggers when the Tavor one comes in (the wait is killing me!) but for now they're both crap stock.

I also plan on trying them both out in a couple Service Rifle shoots.
 
z71camaro said:
Oh come on, I read every post in your ammo thread, just read my first one. LOL. 100 will be part 2 and will be doing it next week, and they'll both be getting Geissele triggers when the Tavor one comes in (the wait is killing me!) but for now they're both crap stock.

I also plan on trying them both out in a couple Service Rifle shoots.
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I love the side by side comparison with a good AR, that's pretty cool. The rem umc is pretty surprising results! I hadn't tested that one. I'll need to buy a few boxes.
 
mikethebike said:
I love the side by side comparison with a good AR, that's pretty cool. The rem umc is pretty surprising results! I hadn't tested that one. I'll need to buy a few boxes.
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Don't rush out for it, these are not the typical results from it. As stated these are the best groups I've seen from it. Most groups from the UMC are about halfway between the better stuff and the Norc. But that being said, if you can get it for $80 for the 200 brick like I did, it's still a deal and worth it for plinking and practice.

mikethebike said:
Your hornady 55gr result out of that tavor is consistent with mine, with a hot barrel that's very good
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I tried the Hornady 75gr BTHP Match and the AE AR223 was way more accurate. The fact both these rifles like the same relatively cheaper ammo makes me EXTREMELY happy.
 
Interesting comparison. Not a huge difference between rifles. Big diff in ammo tho. What's the twist on both of those? No hand loads to test?

Is that the NR 18.5" Tavor? Would be interesting to see a comparison to a 16" or 18" AR some day. You would think the longer barrel on the Tavor would be an advantage, no?
 
kb007 said:
Interesting comparison. Not a huge difference between rifles. Big diff in ammo tho. What's the twist on both of those? No hand loads to test?

Is that the NR 18.5" Tavor? Would be interesting to see a comparison to a 16" or 18" AR some day. You would think the longer barrel on the Tavor would be an advantage, no?
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I don't think so, tolerances on a tavor are a whole lot looser
 
kb007 said:
Interesting comparison. Not a huge difference between rifles. Big diff in ammo tho. What's the twist on both of those? No hand loads to test?

Is that the NR 18.5" Tavor? Would be interesting to see a comparison to a 16" or 18" AR some day. You would think the longer barrel on the Tavor would be an advantage, no?
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Both are 1-7 twist. I stick to cheap easy to find calibers cause I don't reload. Lol. Everything is either 12ga, 9mm, 45acp, 223/5.56, or 308.

The Tavor is a 18.5" non free floating pencil barrel, so tough to get a true comparison with a longer, thicker, and free floating AR. Tavor is built to take a s**t kicking, and always cycle and fire at short range and I have to say so far it is doing that in spades. Biggest problem I've had with it so far is the first day playing with it I thought it jammed a couple times only to find the mag empty........turns out I'd just gone through 10 rounds way faster than I thought. Lol
 
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z71camaro said:
Both are 1-7 twist. I stick to cheap easy to find calibers cause I don't reload. Lol. Everything is either 12ga, 9mm, 45acp, 223/5.56, or 308.

The Tavor is a 18.5" non free floating pencil barrel, so tough to get a true comparison with a longer, thicker, and free floating AR. Tavor is built to take a s**t kicking, and always cycle and fire at short range and I have to say so far it is doing that in spades. Biggest problem I've had with it so far is the first day playing with it I thought it jammed a couple times only to find the mag empty........turns out I'd just gone through 10 rounds way faster than I thought. Lol
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for a fair comparison try a larue 2700 ar with an 18 inch barrel and compare. Tavor has no dust cover to protect bcg or a forward assist and ive seen it jam so often its shamefull. O ya and that trigger ,yuk.
 
hek76 said:
for a fair comparison try a larue 2700 ar with an 18 inch barrel and compare. Tavor has no dust cover to protect bcg or a forward assist and ive seen it jam so often its shamefull. O ya and that trigger ,yuk.
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1. How is that a fair comparison? Price? Barrel length? You're trying to say a rifle using 60 year old tech should cost the same as a new battle rifle, and trying to compare a precision rifle to a CQB rifle. Next I'll compare a Rem 700 SPS to an Uzi...........

2. The dust cover is only in use when NOT using the rifle, and the Tavor is designed to not need one. When the bolt is closed it's just as sealed as that flimsy dust cover.

3. Ever used the forward assist? A lot of AR's are being built without them now as well.

4. Yes, the trigger isn't good, but neither is a standard AR trigger. Tavor trigger is heavy and long and lacks feeling. AR trigger is heavy and long and has feel, but it feels like there's gravel in it.

5. If it's jamming there's an issue with that rifle. Just like when it happens to every other rifle. What kind of jams was that one having?
 
hek76 said:
for a fair comparison try a larue 2700 ar with an 18 inch barrel and compare. Tavor has no dust cover to protect bcg or a forward assist and ive seen it jam so often its shamefull. O ya and that trigger ,yuk.
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5000 round through tavor 0 failures

the tavor will run with the best of them and spank most as far as reliability
 
hek76 said:
for a fair comparison try a larue 2700 ar with an 18 inch barrel and compare. Tavor has no dust cover to protect bcg or a forward assist and ive seen it jam so often its shamefull. O ya and that trigger ,yuk.
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Careful or you will get another trolling infraction and your dad and his G36 wont be able to do anything about it. I and many others will never be able to even take your comments with a pinch of salt after that last thread. Save it for some one who wants to here you talk out of your rear.
 
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