Colt Canada C8 versus Everybody Else!
- Thread starter Thomas D'Arcy McGee
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OldRussian
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If it is anything like a 'real c8' i would say it is overpriced. You get no upgraded furniture and a garbage trigger. You are paying an obscene amount of extra money for a little maple leaf stamped on the receiver. A complete play at heartstrings and pocket books of wannabe Cf members...
Thomas D'Arcy McGee
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Hi, other than price, what are the differences between the Colt LE6920 OD and Colt Canada SA15.7 ?? I presume for the price variance of over $1,000 there *must* be improvements!?
Here is some more information that I came across from KorthGroup, the distributor for the SA firearms:
The two models available to Canadian civilians are the SA20 and SA15.7. Both models are made to the exact quality specifications of their Canadian military counterparts, with the exception of having a semi-automatic-only mechanism. The SA20 is the consumer version of the C7A2. It features a 20-inch government profile barrel. The SA15.7 is the consumer version of the C8A3 carbine. It features a 15.7-inch heavy barrel with Special Forces Weapon sleeve.
Each Diemaco rifle features 1/7-inch twist rifling, 5.56 x 45 mm chamber, a fixed front sight with bayonet lug, six-position adjustable stock with butt pad, ambidextrous sling plate, a MIL-STD-1913 rail, and M4-style feed ramps for use with a wide range of commercial ammunition. Like military and law enforcement rifles, the barrels on both models are cold rotary hammer forged, and rifles feature Milspec forgings and components. Each rifle ships with Colt Canada’s new magazine block locking device, a folding rear sight, an Otis cleaning kit, a barrel cap and standard sling. As stated these are off the same production line as the military/LE product which is well known and respected in terms of quality and reliability. Consumer interest since hearing that Colt Canada would be releasing product for the commercial market has been extremely high.
SKU Description
CSA20 Diemaco SA20 Rife Colt CAN 20" Gov Profile Brl BLK 5.56 cal
CSA15.7 Diemaco SA15.7 Carbine Colt CAN 15.7" Heavy Brl BLK 5.56 cal
I thought the SA20 was suppose to be a .308?
Here is some more information that I came across from KorthGroup, the distributor for the SA firearms:
The two models available to Canadian civilians are the SA20 and SA15.7. Both models are made to the exact quality specifications of their Canadian military counterparts, with the exception of having a semi-automatic-only mechanism. The SA20 is the consumer version of the C7A2. It features a 20-inch government profile barrel. The SA15.7 is the consumer version of the C8A3 carbine. It features a 15.7-inch heavy barrel with Special Forces Weapon sleeve.
Each Diemaco rifle features 1/7-inch twist rifling, 5.56 x 45 mm chamber, a fixed front sight with bayonet lug, six-position adjustable stock with butt pad, ambidextrous sling plate, a MIL-STD-1913 rail, and M4-style feed ramps for use with a wide range of commercial ammunition. Like military and law enforcement rifles, the barrels on both models are cold rotary hammer forged, and rifles feature Milspec forgings and components. Each rifle ships with Colt Canada’s new magazine block locking device, a folding rear sight, an Otis cleaning kit, a barrel cap and standard sling. As stated these are off the same production line as the military/LE product which is well known and respected in terms of quality and reliability. Consumer interest since hearing that Colt Canada would be releasing product for the commercial market has been extremely high.
SKU Description
CSA20 Diemaco SA20 Rife Colt CAN 20" Gov Profile Brl BLK 5.56 cal
CSA15.7 Diemaco SA15.7 Carbine Colt CAN 15.7" Heavy Brl BLK 5.56 cal
I thought the SA20 was suppose to be a .308?
Thomas D'Arcy McGee
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Hello, thank you for your service
With respect, as a CF member you do realize we live in a dangerous and paranoid world, you never know what is going to happen! For example, what is happening in the news this week?
1. ISIS
2. Hamas v. Israel
3. Russia v. Ukraine, i.e. MH17
4. etc...
Are you aware that ISIS has told Christians in Iraq to either 1) convert to Muslim; or 2) pay a large-tax to remain Christian; or 3) beheaded. This type of ethnic/religious cleansing is how much of the real-world thinks, radical savages that live by the law of the jungle who's motto is 'woe to the weak'.
Canadians live in a "bubble" surrounded by three-oceans and a friendly superpower on our southern border. It is really a much more dangerous world out there and the lil-Hitler wannabe's are always looking for weakness! A one-way range today can become a two-way range tomorrow, nobody can say with 100% confidence it will not.
If all law abiding Canadian citizens that can handle a firearm had one, it would make Canada a much stronger and safer country, both from potential internal and external problems. The USA understands that a firearm behind every blade of grass scares the bad-guys,
most Canadians particularly urbanized one's don't get it! Cordially,
TDM
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Uhhh really? Kind of splitting hairs when we are comparing it to a $2400 rifle....
Exchange rate is 93 cents though so you are still off lol
Anyway no doubt the CC rifles are great guns, they just aren't "the best" you can get for that price, and really IMHO should fall in the $1300-$1500 range. Still 50% over comparable rifles. Definitely not a deal or a bargain at $2100-$2400.
The price will come down, like the T97 everyone had to have at $1100 when they came out, then we had some dealers selling them for $850-$900.
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Hello, thank you for your service
With respect, as a CF member you do realize we live in a dangerous and paranoid world, you never know what is going to happen! For example, what is happening in the news this week?
1. ISIS
2. Hamas v. Israel
3. Russia v. Ukraine, i.e. MH17
4. etc...
Are you aware that ISIS has told Christians in Iraq to either 1) convert to Muslim; or 2) pay a large-tax to remain Christian; or 3) beheaded. This type of ethnic/religious cleansing is how much of the real-world thinks, radical savages that live by the law of the jungle who's motto is 'woe to the weak'.
Canadians live in a "bubble" surrounded by three-oceans and a friendly superpower on our southern border. It is really a much more dangerous world out there and the lil-Hitler wannabe's are always looking for weakness! A one-way range today can become a two-way range tomorrow, nobody can say with 100% confidence it will not.
Cordially,
TDM
I am well read in on the current global intelligence picture and recognize that having the options to protect yourself is important. However, you asked if the CC was worth the money compared to others. My opinion as a proffesional at arms is no. Not on my own dime anyway. I have had the pleasure of serving and fighting beside other allied soldiers equiped with other than CC ARs and not found them to be wanting. Would I like to see CC do well and put more money into our economy? Hell yes, but the Queen doesnt pay me enough to purchase one (oddly enough CC stated that they decided to do these civie versions so that soldiers and police could buy them to maintain skills...guess they didnt read our pay scale).
On the one way range becoming a two way range note; I was wounded a few years back and am likely about to find that the Queen no longer wants my services and will put me out to pasture and as our medical pensions aren't good I will likely be leaving Canada for somewhere with a much lower cost of living, and you can be sure that firearms ownership rules play heavily into my decision of where to set up my next home.
I'm going with the Armalite SPR 20" (all my research leads me to believe this rifle should be a fine example of an AR, capable of doing all things well) for $1,199 CDN +taxes with no front post sight an A2 rear stock for a better cheek weld fitment and about $1,000 in savings after taxes over a C7. It's no C7 with a CHF barrel and the Canadian military pedigree, but will do just fine until I'm able to procure a C8IUR at some point in the future. Funny you mention the front post sight because that was the biggest factor along with the price that stopped me from pulling the trigger on one of these Bad Boys.
However if I'm to be honest it was a very difficult decision partially swayed by the Colt Canada statement of more models becoming available later this year, I'm thinking a 14.5" C8IUR for the range and beating on the 20" Armalite for back country exploration (once the AR becomes NR) gotta think positive right.
Best of luck with your choice Mike and just remember, if trying to choose a new AR rifle is your biggest problem life ain't so bad...
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Thomas D'Arcy McGee
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Hi, so what is the best?
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That's exactly what I said.
Good one.(Post and member disregarded.)
Expensive as hell ($650 for that upper, which did not come with a bolt carrier group) but worth every penny. Or nickle.
Before buying that heavy C8 barrel I had a lighter, mid-quality 16" barrel on my AR-15. I only switched the barrel and the groups improved on such a level that I didn't know would be possible, unless I replaced the barrel with a 20" bull barrel or something, that I actually thought something was wrong with my older and lighter barrel but it was totally fine... This was my first experience with parts from BCM and I got to say it was a damn pleasant one.Dude, if I had the extra cash I'd get you one for the service you put in. OPP here make close to $100,000 a year here which is crazy compared to a soldiers pay. I have no idea why we don't pay our soldiers better then we pay cops..
It wasn't long ago (basically before IRUNGUNS began importation) that 6920s were a) Fairly hard to come by and b) selling in the mid-$2000s, sometimes getting closer to $3000 than $2000.
If IRUNGUNS supply dries up for whatever reason, availability would quickly taper off again (although less demand than before could drive the price down from the previous highs).
I don't think Diemaco/Colt Canada ever manufactured their own .308/7.62 AR-15 derivative. the LE901 was introduced by Colt (USA) just two-three years ago. You can probably find the news of its introduction in the archived SHOT show threads.
Thomas D'Arcy McGee
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Hi, are these the one's you are referring to?
http://www.knightarmco.com/military/?term=sr-16
Thanks,
TDM
one of my buddies that went overseas told me that the reason these guns are so good is that the barrels are rated for something like 100,000 rounds compared to the 30,000 rounds for most civvie ARs....something to do with the barrel linings and forging process? I dont recall specifics now, but thats what i remember.
Well doesn't seem that way across the board with the couple dealers I have talked with. I have heard many shops have cancelled orders from korth due to pricing.
