10/22 one trigger pull, two shots

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hello,

yesterday at the range I started getting double shots.....two shots fired from one trigger pull. the following shot would be normal.

at first it was just a random thing, then it started happening more frequently

I searched google for this problem and some people say it's a bump fire...not holding the stock firmly enough and pulling the trigger too lightly.

I was bench shooting and trying to get an optic sighted in so I was trying to get the most accurate shots possible by not jerking the trigger

the gun is a brand new Ruger 10/22 takedown with about 1,000 rounds through it. I have cleaned it, taken the bolt apart....nothing sticking, no burrs, no grit....nothing. can't figure it out

will put everything back together and wait till next time to test.

this gun is factory stock except for a Tuffer Buffer and the bolt hold release mod.....no trigger job, no Timmy Trigger, nothing.

I asked my buddy and he says the same thing happens on his SR22 sometimes....which is fairly new also

anyone else have this happen? why does it happen? too much oil? I use CLP Break Free

thanks
 
It is a slip fire... when triggers get down to a very fine release on the sear, they can become too fine and the gun cycles a fired round, cocks and "slips" the sear firing a subsequent round... I had one trigger that fired three round bursts, until I stiffened the engagement... the trigger is your culprit... FYI, this is a RARE problem in a factory trigger... the "lawyerized" triggers are stiffened to the point that this situation can't occur... unfortunately, neither can a clean release.
 
And here I am trying to find a way to lighten my 10/22 trigger. I pretty well need to do an Olympic dead lift to pull that sucker.
 
I don't think it's the trigger.....I had a slam fire yesterday.

same thing....one trigger pull, two rounds fired. only this time the round slam fired when not completely chambered. it blew the mag out the bottom. scared the hell outta me. I had powder marks on my hands and shirt sleeve

I saved the blown case and took a picture next to a normal casing. I sent the picture to Ruger service center

this is a bone stock Ruger 10/22 takedown with no mods except the bolt release mod. it's given me nothing but problems since about round 150....I thought 10/22's were supposed to be reliable.

I get nothing but FTF, FTE, double feeds, stovepipes, firing out of battery, slam fires......my friend's vintage 10/22 is totally reliable.

they don't make them like they used to....






 
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when I bought the 10/22 I thought it would be like the one my friend has. he has an older one that works perfect out of the box. his is wood and aluminum. now they're all plastic.....the stock, the trigger, the trigger housing

I don't want to spend a ton of money trying to get it to run perfect. ok, the tuffer buffer is $12, then a Kidd extractor is recommended to eliminate stovepipes, the bolt release mod I did myself. I just find it awkward to use two hands and release the bolt, especially with an optic and using a drum mag

I don't know what it's gonna take to fix the slam firing. I don't even see a firing pin mark on the slam fired casing. I've seen videos on youtube with 10/22's slam firing when loading a single round and dropping the bolt....and another video of a slam fire happening with a BX-25 mag.

I was using a TI25 mag when it happened. I just got them almost working perfect too.

I think I got a lemon from Ruger

maybe the bolt is out of spec? I dunno....firing pin spring too weak? the gun is brand new
 
An out of battery explosion is not a slam fire... it is the bolt igniting the primer as it picks up the case out of the magazine... which is almost always a magazine problem... and you are not using an OEM magazine... my first advice is to set aside the Ti mags and go back to the Ruger 10-rounders and see where that gets you... at the very least, do not tell Ruger that you had problems while using Ti mags in their gun... ONLY discuss problems that occurred when the gun was in bone stock configuration using OEM mags.
 
hoytcanon said:
An out of battery explosion is not a slam fire... it is the bolt igniting the primer as it picks up the case out of the magazine... which is almost always a magazine problem... and you are not using an OEM magazine... my first advice is to set aside the Ti mags and go back to the Ruger 10-rounders and see where that gets you... at the very least, do not tell Ruger that you had problems while using Ti mags in their gun... ONLY discuss problems that occurred when the gun was in bone stock configuration using OEM mags.
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rimlock maybe?
 
great....I was so close to getting them to feed right. I'm so happy when I can get through a whole mag without a jam. I can't remember if it was happening with Butler Creek mags too or not but definately 25 round mags for sure

I'm getting stovepipes and ejection problems even with the factory mags now. I'm a little disappointed this 10/22 has become a jamomatic. I don't think I've had so many issues with any other gun.....not even a 1911!! which has so many quirks







hoytcanon said:
An out of battery explosion is not a slam fire... it is the bolt igniting the primer as it picks up the case out of the magazine... which is almost always a magazine problem... and you are not using an OEM magazine... my first advice is to set aside the Ti mags and go back to the Ruger 10-rounders and see where that gets you... at the very least, do not tell Ruger that you had problems while using Ti mags in their gun... ONLY discuss problems that occurred when the gun was in bone stock configuration using OEM mags.
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I always considered a new extractor + bolt buffer part of the costs to buy a 10/22. But, I didn't have problems with the rifle in stock form either.
I notice you are using federal ammo, do you have issues with other ammo as well?
 
so far only the slam fires with Federal. I was having feed problems with Winchester M-22.the Federal ammo feeds better

still has stovepipes with all kinds of ammo, and double feeds

at first no problems with rotary mags....but later I was even starting to have stovepipes with those mags too.

I think the maditory mods on a 10/22 are the bolt release mod, the bolt buffer and an aftermarket extractor





lone-wolf said:
I always considered a new extractor + bolt buffer part of the costs to buy a 10/22. But, I didn't have problems with the rifle in stock form either.
I notice you are using federal ammo, do you have issues with other ammo as well?
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I've been getting a lot of stovepipes with my 10/22 takedown. Even with OEM magazines. It has gotten to the point where I don't usually bring the gun to the range. I've heard that a better aftermarket extractor will help with the stove piping like the ones offered by dlask. I was going to try there. I had to take a Dremel to the receiver when I got the gun because the machining was very poor and there was a huge metal chad by the ejection port. You're correct when you say they do not make them like they used too.
 
it's not the magazines....

tried it again and it wants to go full auto with every kind of mag I use.....even the Ruger rotary mags

I don't think it's the hammer and sear. it won't budge when bumped or hit with a mallet, only when the trigger is pulled

that leaves the bolt....firing pin spring too weak? I took everything apart and everything seems normal and clean
 
nope, I checked the firing pin to make sure it was moving freely and not protruding

also, some people say if you load one round directly into the chamber and slam the bolt closed you can get a slam fire. I tried about a dozen times and can't get a slam fire that way.....

only when I pull the trigger with a loaded mag it wants to go full auto. I'm pretty sure it would go three or more rounds if it didn't stovepipe and jam up the gun




Lead Loader said:
Not a powerfull enough cartridge? but id say look at a trigger or something holding a firing pin out.
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You said a friend has an older 10/22?
If he's nice enough ask to swap his bolt and try it out.
Then swap the trigger group.
I think it's your trigger group.
Did you reassemble the trig. Group correctly when you did your mod?
 
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