If Ar15's became non restricted would Tavors, etc...become extinct.

Majority of the AR owned by people will still be restricted due to barrel length, however there will be a run on 18.5" barrels.
 
If AR's became NR I likely wouldn't get rid of my Tavor, as I really like that rifle. But I would certainly be adding more AR's to my collection, or at least 18.5-20" barreled uppers.
 
If it ever happened AR sales would increase and sales of others would decrease. The Tavor and other rifles we currently have as non restricted would still be around but their price would have to drop or they would fade away into nothingness. How could they compete with a $1500 AR that does everything they can do as well or better?
The reason those rifles sell in the US is because they are usually significantly cheaper down there so just like us there are guys that just want to have something different and they have the disposable income to give it a try. Don't think for one second though that those same guys only own a Tavor or an XCR, I would bet they all have a couple AR's as well and just want to try something else.
I don't understand why so many of us here act like you have to have one or the other. I own 5 AR's, an ACR, and a couple other fun toys. Why limit yourself to just one or make it a choice? I choose them all until I can't afford any more.

I would love to see the AR go non restricted but I really don't see it happening. Free unicorn with every AR purchased ;)
 
ChrisAlston said:
If AR's became NR I likely wouldn't get rid of my Tavor, as I really like that rifle. But I would certainly be adding more AR's to my collection, or at least 18.5-20" barreled uppers.
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What makes you think that if they make the AR non restricted they wouldn't also change the stupid barrel length limitations to something more reasonable?
If they use a little common sense and do go non restricted it would be nice to think they would apply some of that common sense to some of the other stupid rules we have and get rid of our magazine capacity limits.
 
mini15 said:
The funny thing is time and time again the nearly milsurp AR platform is being adopted around the world. Many first world armies are ditching their proprietary designs/rifles and adopting an AR15 type flavor or issue their proprietary crap to the grunts and give AR15 types to their special forces. e.g. British with their SA80, Germans with their "new" G27/28, etc...

Take the bells and whistles off, and you have the same design that dates back to the 50's that's just as effective today as it was then.
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This is a fairly recent phenomenon though, though it may seem strange now, until probably the later '90s the AR platform was not particularly popular or respected. It took a LOT of development to get the AR to the point where it is today.

Anyways I'd get one if they were nonrestricted for sure, just off of great prices and logistics considerations.
 
cr5 said:
What makes you think that if they make the AR non restricted they wouldn't also change the stupid barrel length limitations to something more reasonable?
If they use a little common sense and do go non restricted it would be nice to think they would apply some of that common sense to some of the other stupid rules we have and get rid of our magazine capacity limits.
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Absolutely agree, I would literally jump through the roof if my 16" DD was suddenly non restricted. But honestly I'm not holding my breath for the AR to go NR, and even if they did, I doubt they would be dialing back barrel length requirements on top of that. Common sense, firearms, and politics don't typically blend from what I have observed which is why I think that. But believe me, I sincerely hope to proven wrong!
Personally I don't believe in having classifications or barrel length rules at all. I think a gun is a gun and as a licensed, law abiding person I should be able to own AR's, AK's, AUG's, Tavors, or whatever I want and shoot them wherever it is lawful and safe using standard capacity mags.
 
Id keep my tavor. I take it with me almost all the time when hiking, because if it's size. It's very hard/ near impossible to have a black rifle that's max 29 inches. Any non restricted AR15 would be too long because of the stupid barrel length laws we have in place. The tavor meets the legal requirements of non restricted and is shorter than any non restricted AR ever will be. Unless the laws change dramatically.
 
id certainly keep my tavor, that thing runs like an ak47, it is certainly more reliable running dirty than any AR, kinda makes sense as the tavor was purposely built for amphibious salt water sandy beach landings, doesn't get much worse than salt water and fine sand to screw up a rifle folks.
 
I love my ACR. I personally feel it is superior in operation and design than an AR, but you can't deny the ubiquitousness of the AR platform. If they weren't restricted, I would have an 18.6" AR in my safe for sure.
 
Arnie's Guns said:
Do you mind me asking why? Genuinely curious. Seems like a pretty harsh statement for a rifle that is generally regarded as reliable and accurate. What would you use instead?
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If it ain't piston driven, it's not worth my time. My guns done sh*t where they eat.

Also, I hate the charging handle and forward assist.

Keep in mind, I own two AR15 rifles. I only have them because I didn't have to pay for them. They rarely get used. They are boring.
 
tootall said:
And yet, when anyone asks why the hell 9 pounds of steel and molded plastic is worth $3000, when a 500 lb lawn tractor can be bought for half that, all hell breaks loose.
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Jewish quality, man. :redface:








Still loving my type 97 but definitely jump in to the ar 15 game if they were non res.
 
Armedsask said:
If it ain't piston driven, it's not worth my time. My guns done sh*t where they eat.

Also, I hate the charging handle and forward assist.

Keep in mind, I own two AR15 rifles. I only have them because I didn't have to pay for them. They rarely get used. They are boring.
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I bet you shoot with your pinky extended...am I right? ;)
 
Armedsask said:
If it ain't piston driven, it's not worth my time. My guns done sh*t where they eat.

Also, I hate the charging handle and forward assist.

Keep in mind, I own two AR15 rifles. I only have them because I didn't have to pay for them. They rarely get used. They are boring.
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Have you played with a piston driven AR? I have 2 PWS AR's and they are fantastic rifles and still extremely accurate
I own 5 AR's, I don't care if they are piston or DI. I clean both when I get home from the range and they are both quick and easy. Every one of them is accurate and they are all fun to shoot.
 
Armedsask said:
If it ain't piston driven, it's not worth my time. My guns done sh*t where they eat.

Also, I hate the charging handle and forward assist.

Keep in mind, I own two AR15 rifles. I only have them because I didn't have to pay for them. They rarely get used. They are boring.
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So what you're saying is that my piston AR uppers aren't in fact ARs, thus another design and even more importantly, non-restricted already?!!

You've just made my year!!

But seriously, when will your new firearm design that you've been working on for the last couple of years be release to us poor paisants?
 
BenL said:
So what you're saying is that my piston AR uppers aren't in fact ARs, thus another design and even more importantly, non-restricted already?!!
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Honestly, piston driven ARs sound great in theory but they are, and will always be, and add on after thought. They are not designed from the ground up and therefore have their own set of issues.

But seriously, when will your new firearm design that you've been working on for the last couple of years be release to us poor paisants?
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There's something in the works.
 
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