Do uppers need some such thing? The FRT that is. Because NDS is seriously considering manufacturing the upper receiver assembly for them. It's just one of those, "There needs to be enough interest in it." type things.
NDS-18S (AR-180b) Lower Receiver
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Do uppers need some such thing? The FRT that is. Because NDS is seriously considering manufacturing the upper receiver assembly for them. It's just one of those, "There needs to be enough interest in it." type things.
I was under the impression that both the manufacturer and the exporter have to be registered with the USDOS for a major component, or 'listed firearm' component to be exportable, or that an end user certificate had to be produced and approved.
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Fair enough. I just look at it and say the firearm itself is the lower receiver. Anyone can own an AR upper, same as anyone can own a AR180 upper, every part of an AK (barring the receiver) and even a 12.6 Luger upper. Just can't own the registered and serialized Prohibited frame or receiver to any of them (unless you are licensed to do so).
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No. Not the receiver that is classified as the controlled part needs the frt. In this case, the lower is what is deemed the firearm, so it would need an frt entry. The upper is just parts.
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I'm not talking about control parts and licensing. I'm talking about how the lab classifies variants of certain guns.
ATRS's first attempt at their modern hunter was deemed an AR variant and the lowed restricted as an AR10 upper was duct taped to it and made to fire one round. The AR10 upper fit, so the new design lower was deemed an ar15 variant.
The second entry is what they are pushing now. It has been designed to not function with AR uppers, thus NR.
The 180b may be different, as the remarks section of the frt notes the ar180b lower will accept ar180 uppers, yet the lower is still NR/R and not a variant of a named prohib (ie ar180).
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The reason the 180B wasn't a variant of the 180 is that the fire control group is very different, the FCG is closer to an AR 15 group, and won't accept an AR18 FCG. Additionally the 180B lower won't accept an AR15 upper (even with duct tape and baling wire). If the pattern is the same as the 180B then what it's made of shouldn't matter - eg. carbon fibre AR's from Wyndham are still AR's. Technically, it should be simple "child" frt entry (but it won't be knowing them - Smith et al)
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Won't be a child frt as it comes from a different parent manufacture. But your insight to the fire control group likely answers the issue on classification.
Here is my first attempt at seeing if NDS is willing to play ball.
"Hello,
I am interested in importing some of your products to Canada, using IRUNGUNS.com as a broker. We have a very strong collector market up here, although small, but retro parts are very hard to come by. I would like to know if i could purchase some items, using IRUNGUNS and their broker service to import them to Canada. This process is very easy, I have done it several times, and what happens is that I purchase the items from you and have you deliver them to IRUNGUNS and they facilitate the export to Canada. IRUNGUNS is fully licensed and is a FFL dealer and imports to Canada is their specialty.
Let me know if this is something that we can do."
And they're response...
"Sorry, but we do not have U.S. State Dept approval to have our products exported to Canada.
Thanks for your interest.
Harlan
NoDak Spud LLC
www.nodakspud.com"
Is there something I'm missing???
"Hello,
I am interested in importing some of your products to Canada, using IRUNGUNS.com as a broker. We have a very strong collector market up here, although small, but retro parts are very hard to come by. I would like to know if i could purchase some items, using IRUNGUNS and their broker service to import them to Canada. This process is very easy, I have done it several times, and what happens is that I purchase the items from you and have you deliver them to IRUNGUNS and they facilitate the export to Canada. IRUNGUNS is fully licensed and is a FFL dealer and imports to Canada is their specialty.
Let me know if this is something that we can do."
And they're response...
"Sorry, but we do not have U.S. State Dept approval to have our products exported to Canada.
Thanks for your interest.
Harlan
NoDak Spud LLC
www.nodakspud.com"
Is there something I'm missing???
Blastattack
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"F@ck you. We don't care. Leave us alone"... In nice words.
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I think they are missing it.
They wouldn't be exporting. They'd be sending it to an FFL. That FFL, who is also an import/exporter, would obtain approval and deal with the export side of things.
But then again I've been wrong before. Maybe IRG could clarify.
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NDS sells every single part it makes, before it makes them. Their AR vintage uppers and lowers are on permanent back order, and if your last name isn't Fuller, good luck getting an AK receiver stamping from them, they have very little incentive to do more than they are already. Perhaps someone in Canada with a CAD/CAM set up might get interested though, if so, it's about damned time!
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Please do!!!
Awesome! Aside from their AR18s receiver, there is a bunch more stuff I'd like to get from them. Perhaps some delicious waffle mags...
NEA did hint a few years back that they might be working on a 180B2 clone. I can only speculate that the reason nothing ever came to fruition is because the market for this rifle in Canada and the States would probably be to small to turn a profit. Lack of sales is the reason also stated by Armalite for not making the AR180B available for sale. This is a shame as I would definitely buy a new one.
