Asc mags

09outlander said:
I bought one to try it out, it's a good quality mag, runs flawless in my rifles. Two things I don't like, the high cost and the crimped mag body, if for some reason you ever need to remove or replace the follower it is to do so without damaging it. I'd recommend just buying the normal 10rd LAR mags.
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So u did buy it from that particular vendor?
 
The whole point of this thread was to check vendor legitimacy. Not a pissing contest on whether they are legal or not.
 
sky52 said:
The whole point of this thread was to check vendor legitimacy. Not a pissing contest on whether they are legal or not.
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The ones I had were purchased from Practical Performance on Vancouver Island. AFAIK he has exclusive rights to them in Canada.

I bought them face-to-face at the Chilliwack HACS show. I spoke to him several times over the two days; he was a very engaging fellow and I would have no qualms dealing with him. Whether the product is legal or for you is up to you and the Machine to decide!
 
angryeyebrows said:
Lol! OK. Thanks for the warning!



Magazine capacity has nothing to do with what the magazine is designed for Many, many magazines come into this country that are limited after they were originally assembled. Like I said in my previous example, there are Glock 33 round magazines that are limited to 10 rounds with a rivet. When they left the factory at Glock, they sure as hell weren't pinned. Someone pinned them and then imported them.

What would you say about the magazine in the picture below? It's a purposejbuilt pistol magazine, inherently limited to 10 rounds by the size of it's body. Is it illegal?
ASC-XCR-L-.223-10rd-PISTOL-Mag.jpg
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Uhhh magazine capacity IS 100% to do with what the magazine was designed for....may want to brush up on the laws/legal definition there champ lol.
Ignorance of the law is not much of a defence in court. Here is the simplified version for you.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.
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Full legal definition, about 1/4 ways down deals with mags.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html
 
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sky52 said:
The whole point of this thread was to check vendor legitimacy. Not a pissing contest on whether they are legal or not.
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Sure but discussion of illegal activities on CGN is not permitted, hence the whole legal discussion.
Funny no sponsoring dealers are selling these on CGN.... I guess that doesn't set off any alarms for you either.
 
Ok maybe I should word it differently. What the magazine was designed for, determines its capacity limitations in Canada. You could have a 100 round magazine that could be manufactured specifically for a pistol. For the magazine to be leagal in Canada, you would then need to limit it to 10 rounds. From a manufacturing standpoint, our mag limits have no bearing on design; they are imposed after the fact.
 
Until im told otherwise, these are pistol mags period. I have sent off an email to asc. If it comes back saying they were crimped and labelled on their end. Im buying a crate load of it
 
The problem with these mags is that they aren't specifically a "pistol length" magazine - they are the same body size as a rifle magazine, so essentially they're a rifle mag pinned to 10, which is a no no. If they were any other length you could argue, they aren't so you can't. Look at the RRA mags, no other pre-existing mag body is the same length - ditto the ATR mags, just slightly different than a pre-existing rifle length mag. Confusion arises from the fact that the maker has labelled them as a pistol mag - makes no difference in the US, then again lots of things make no difference in the US - you can label an Arsenal AK a Valmet 78 in the US, doesn't make it a Valmet
 
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enefgee said:
The problem with these mags is that they aren't specifically a "pistol length" magazine - they are the same body size as a rifle magazine, so essentially they're a rifle mag pinned to 10, which is a no no. If they were any other length you could argue, they aren't so you can't. Look at the RRA mags, no other mag body is the same length - ditto the ATR mags, just slightly different than a rifle length mag.
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so why aren't they arrested and thrown in jail for manufacturing and selling a prohibited device? Wouldn't they be arrested and thrown in jail pretty fast if they were selling 30 rounders or 45 and 60 rounders which are also prohibited, same type of prohibited.
Sounds like another pcv conundrum...
 
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sky52 said:
They are not pinned. Rather they were crimped.
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Pinned, crimped, lanced, internally blocked - all methods of restricting the number of rounds a magazine can hold. The magazine was a 30 round conventional rifle magazine prior to it getting pinned, crimped, lanced or internally blocked. It isn't a specific pistol mag, it should be lanced, pinned, crimped or internally blocked to 5 rounds.
 
sky52 said:
Until im told otherwise, these are pistol mags period. I have sent off an email to asc. If it comes back saying they were crimped and labelled on their end. Im buying a crate load of it
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Why don't you send one off to the RCMP instead? They will be the final say on the matter.....
 
Well theybwent thru the border in plain view with cbsa full inspection. If they were questionable, cbsa would've said no already
 
OP - I have to agree with the above. What the factory says they are and what the RCMP says they are could well be different. One interpretation may well get you put in jail. Now getting a specific ruling from the RCMP may prove difficult, especially if they are legal. As I understand it, the RCMP is loath to put this sort of decision in writing.
 
When Questar first had the LAR 15 magazine designed and built . The original was submitted to RCMP along with a letter from the manufacturer stating that it had been designed and built for the express purpose of Questar as a pistol magazine and that it was not an off the shelf item from Existing product line and as a side note the marking was placed on it to identify the magazine to various agencies to match the bulletin that was issued by RCMP.
This continued with new manufacturer ASC with the same documents being submitted with the new manufacturer when we couldnt get C Products version.
I was an employee of Questar at the time of the original design and submission including the letters. That is how the legal , approved magazine came out. Wolverine Supplies version followed the same process as well as others
 
Bolivar said:
OP - I have to agree with the above. What the factory says they are and what the RCMP says they are could well be different. One interpretation may well get you put in jail. Now getting a specific ruling from the RCMP may prove difficult, especially if they are legal. As I understand it, the RCMP is loath to put this sort of decision in writing.
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even if they were to put it in writing does not mean that every officer knows what they are looking at and have been informed on the item.
 
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