I'm stuck, ACR vs XCR Help!
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The AR/STANAG mag thing to me doesn't matter on the SL8. The G36 Mag is arguably the most reliable 223/556 mag out there and was part of the selling feature of it to me.
The only advantage an AR mag has is the availability of holding more rounds legally under our laws IMO.
At this time, it appears to be dead in the water. As in, forget a delivery time, we arent sure it'll even be produced.
Basically it seems as if while its being sold as Bushmaster, its being manufactured at a Remington factory, is moving to a different factory location, is having trouble producing the basic version, and new variants, and optional parts are...not available. Not being produced.
Basically I'm not sure if they are serious about the ACR.
You're thinking since robinson is obviously very invested in continuing the xcr it would be better to go with the xcr as opposed to the acr since bushmaster might abandon the whole acr product?
I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either, but I do have to give the nod to the XCR. I have the pre-keymod version, and love it. The only issue I have had is a primer on norc .223 blew the back out and jammed the bolt, aside from that, no issues. I love that it takes ar mags, I love that it takes are grips, and I love that you can put an adapter on it to take ar stocks, as far as I know you cannot do any of that with the XCR, and that might be something to think about if you like to customize. I honestly like the XCR so much, as soon as I have the fundage I am going to buy a keymod one in .223 and possibly sell or keep the one I have, don't know yet.
Hicks
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The sad part is, other than the AR mags your perfect rifle is the Swiss Arms PE90 target model. Frankly with your two choices, I would go with the ACR. A SL8 is another option, but by the time you modify it to be either close to what it should be or, mimicking the ACR it will cost more. If you're handy the mod that Fireball did with the regular stock would make it a serious consideration. Still I think I'd go ACR. I just wish Bushmaster would stop screwing around with the ACR platform and make it what it really should be. They have done a piss poor job of following up on what they said they would have available.
WeatherdoG
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So Bushmaster is delaying once again a new mod on the rifle, and Robinson Arms is one a new gen of their rifle... Not to be too crazy, but who would you buy a car from? A company that maybe some day will produce a car that has a lot of cool features, or one that is producing the model you want but that maybe isn't as refined as you are hoping for? The ACR is dead now that the US military isn't replacing the M16 so Bushmaster has no real incentive to waste time and energy on an oddball rifle. Robinson Armament is making the XCR to sell all over the world, and is improving on their product to make a name for themselves because that is their only game. I'd buy the rifle I know will be around in 5 years over the ACR that will likely die in a few years because Remington already makes the rifle that the ACR failed to replace.
Not sure if you noticed, but their sales poster advertises the ACR to be on sale for $2,599 (regular priced at $2,999), but on their website it's currently listed at a regular price of $2,799.
http://eaglehuntingsupplies.com/product/bushmaster-acr-16-5
the only problem I see with that type of thinking is that RA has been working through problems with their rifle with every new generation along with making it more user friendly. In those aspects the first generation ACR is still a contender against the 4th or 5th version from RA........RA has been playing catch up this whole time and they still have the barrel retention method and quality control to sort out IMO.
twistedbrilliance
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I've played with the ACR and it fits me very well. I have also used the xcr and I liked it also. If both could be had at same price I would definitely go for the ACR but that's not the case. Given the cost of the ACR have you considered the Modern Hunter from ATRS?
and ad was just posted showing the enhanced ACR at 2599, wolverine is 2350 for the xcr. The modern hunter starts at 3100 and with the light stainless barrel and other accessories for it to come in at 8lbs it is pushing 4000 (I priced it out because I was interested)
andrew3081
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At least XCR is an actual multi caliber rifle.
ACR still only have 1 caliber. If you want more caliber, you gotta make your own barrel.
The latest generation of XCR is as good as the current ACR except the barrel retention.
Why pay premium for a rifle while it does not deliver what it can do?
ACR still only have 1 caliber. If you want more caliber, you gotta make your own barrel.
The latest generation of XCR is as good as the current ACR except the barrel retention.
Why pay premium for a rifle while it does not deliver what it can do?
This is actually the second gen ACR we have in Canada but the only changes were to a spring loaded titanium firing pin and a slight mod to the gas system, but ya, still a better rifle than Rob Arms has been able to put out in who knows how many revisions he's actually on.
WeatherdoG, the ACR isn't going anywhere. They aren't delaying they are still catching up to demand from the AR feeding frenzy that went on south of the border and have focused on catching up to their moneymaker which is the AR platform to the US population. We are an afterthought and the ACR isn't as popular down south. Pretty hard to compete with an AR in the mind of most Americans. Once things settle down and they get back on track rifles and parts will start to flow again.
It isn't a mod it's the same rifle with a different barrel, trigger and stock, a variant I guess.
How would the ACR be dead just because the US military isn't replacing the M16 or M4 in the near future? With your logic the XCR would be long gone by now since it was designed with the intent to enter the trials to become the new US service rifle. When they failed to even enter due in part to their own stupidity and their lack of ability to produce the rifle and a blank firing adapter on time they changed direction and started selling solely to the civilian market.
I was looking at both , the XCR-l , with CTR stock cost $2655 all in.. The ACR with a new barrel $ 4100 all in. At the end of the day I realized in just shooting targets and banging off rnds, I don't mind if it's a 1 1/2 inch more moa. I took the extra $1400 and ordered a 2.5x10x32 vortex scope , a flash hider, a cheek riser,a sling,2 more lar mags, 10 packs of AE ammo. If I had lots of money I'd get both , but I'm happy with what I got.
So what? I built a 300 Blackout conversion for my ACR for less money than a Factory XCR conversion and my 300BLK ACR will shot sub MOA with handloads. I've yet to see a credible picture of a target with an XCR doing better than 2moa with any load, there are always flyers all over the place.
Be patient, the factory ACR caliber conversions will come eventually. Maybe if Rob Arms focused on building the rifle correctly from the beginning instead of just throwing it out there with the caliber conversions the XCR would have a better reputation than it does now.
Yes I have looked at that beast, unfortunately it's not been tried and tested yet, and frankly it's a whole lot of money, essentially crowd-sourcing their build on that rifle for something that could easily just wind up shooting like an sg542 (4moa) could it ever be as great as a SR25, very likely, but also very risky it could wind up pretty lemonized. I'm going to wait for a 308 purchase, I still have a whole lot of research to do on that calibre, platform, ergos, action, and scopes.
I'm extremely risk averse these days since my Christensen Arms disaster.
Where do you get $4100 from? Are you having it gold plated?
A new ACR can be bought for $2500 then add in your choice of non restricted barrel from $550-$1000 depending which route you go and you are at a maximum of $3500 plus tax. If you go the max route you now have a non restricted black rifle with a match grade barrel that will shoot sub moa with quality ammo. This can also be done for closer to $2600 if you don't mind picking up a used ACR for around $2000 off the EE (you're replacing the barrel anyway so who cares if it has a couple hundred rounds through it) then go with a Dlask barrel for $550.
If you go the XCR route you have a $2600 plus tax rifle that will shoot at best 2 moa but more likely 3 moa if you include all the the flyers they spit out and probably 6 moa for those that like Norinco ammo.
The XCR is a decent rifle but it still has to come up with a better barrel retention system to become a great rifle. The new keymod upper is a big step in the right direction and lightens up the rifle nicely but there is still more work to go on it.
andrew3081
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We all don't another 10 years to wait.
And so what? Conversion for the XCR usually include a separate bolt. A brand new XCR barrel will be cheaper than building your own and you dont have to wait. Why not spend the money on other rifle and companies that actually care about their products if you have the choice?
You always mention accuracy when it comes to XCR. Everyone knows that XCR is not well known for its accuracy.
Where did you get the number of $2600 for XCR? XCR can be bought brand new for $2350 or less than $2000 on EE.
I have not seen an ACR on EE for $2000....
You are still looking at a price difference of $1000 between the NR ACR and NR XCR-L.
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