Rimfire IPSC style?
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Which doesn't mean it can't be run in countries that do allow centerfire semiautos.. What other IPSC game can you competitively run a sub-$1000 open gun in?
Edit: If I had more time before having to leave the country for a while, I would have organized an "outlaw match based on IPSC MR rules" at my club. I can have support from the club executive, but I wouldn't be counting on our IPSC director's support (hence the "outlaw" part) - he wouldn't even let me bring my MR rig to try a stage or two. With that being said, overall, he's a great choice for IPSC director - keeps our IPSC nights well-organized. Just because we don't see eye to eye on one issue doesn't mean he's not the right man for the job. Actually IPSC is the only discipline at the club with large attendance.
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Why don't people shoot pistol with +P ammo only then? Why are we running 223 in rifle matches and not 338LM? IPSC is a game and a sport. The P-part of the name became a joke over the years.
Edit: So did the V-part
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Because running .22lr doesn't meet that requirement. No one stop anybody to shoot .338LM if there is suitable firearm for that caliber and shooting range supports it.
And giving example of over power ammo makes little sense. Why no one is using rocket launchers, one may say.
There are requirements, and power factor must be between 125-170, also for pistol, 9mm is the smallest caliber.
I believe in anyone wants to shoot IPSC with .22lr, should perhaps invent new discipline, with new set of rules without IPSC in it.
And giving example of over power ammo makes little sense. Why no one is using rocket launchers, one may say.
There are requirements, and power factor must be between 125-170, also for pistol, 9mm is the smallest caliber.
I believe in anyone wants to shoot IPSC with .22lr, should perhaps invent new discipline, with new set of rules without IPSC in it.
Lol.... For starters, .22LR is more than enough to kill a large animal with proper shot placement. Now, if I had to carry a gun for practical purposes, I'd run some +P loads and not IPSC loads. Also why invent a new set of rules without IPSC in it when the wheel already exists? You don't believe me? Click on the link that I'm about to paste
http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesMini-Rifle.pdf DVC, brother!
Yeh, you talking about Asian influence
Wonder when we gonna use potato guns?
Canadian influence too.. Our centerfire rifles are limited to reliable cheap 10, reliable expensive 13-15, unreliable less expensive 13-15rds. Our rimfire rifles can run as many as 30rds (max allowed by IPSC rules). A CoF might be more fun with 2-3 times more ammo capacity as long as all we're doing is drilling cardboard... One thing's for sure, no military/police service issues open guns for daily carry and I sure wouldn't wanna go to war dressed like a smalltime Russian gangster:
Hell, we even ban practical combat wear.. Well don't officially ban it, but we "strongly discourage" it and then leave it up to the MD's discretion. Vince already has his heart on expanding the camo ban that is not a ban and most likely forcing us to wear skirts instead of pants
Last time I heard, .22LR guns were considered "firearms" in Canada and across the globe. Potato guns, not so much. And what's your problem with Asian people?
Back in the day, the major power factor was 175 not 170. Too many 9mms around trying to make major now. Electronic Timers didn't come out till late 1980s. Prior to that a Stop Watch and Whistle were used. Plenty of mistakes back then. But still a lot of fun. Actually more fun cause IPSC was just getting started and the group of people shooting was much smaller than today and everybody knew everybody. I started in Kelowna around 1981. Gave it up about 1992 or so, I think. A lot more rules now. Seems like you guys are still having fun though.
Still fun and the total IPSC membership in Canada still wouldn't be more than a small town's worth (3000 ballpark). Shoot a few matches and you'll get to know most of the active shooters out there. IPSC is still a fun game and should be considered as such. Some people, as you must have noted by now, take it too seriously
This subject comes up every year or two. We (IPSC Ontario) presented it at the IPSC Canada National Executive Council meeting on or about 2007/2008 (at the continued request of one of our members....just to shut him up) There was zero interest by the NEC in pursuing it (beyond recognizing what the International decision makers have already done to water IPSC down...and that would be IPSC Air...and to a lesser extent mini rifle)
If there was a genuine interest in rim fire action style shooting (sanctioned by IPSC or otherwise) these matches would already be happening.
I for one don't think it's in our best interest to help convince our CFO that we don't need centre fire pistols/rifles to participate in IPSC/Action shooting.
My .02
If there was a genuine interest in rim fire action style shooting (sanctioned by IPSC or otherwise) these matches would already be happening.
I for one don't think it's in our best interest to help convince our CFO that we don't need centre fire pistols/rifles to participate in IPSC/Action shooting.
My .02
I find the following obstacles to the rimfire action shooting adoption in Canada:
-Most IPSC guys in Canada are handgun only. You can only get a black badge shooting a centerfire handgun and most members focus on that. It's hard enough getting a centerfire rifle match going at most clubs (the only exceptions in the last half-decade were EESA and Peterborough). The handgunners are a majority in the region and all clubs. I recently converted one to play with long guns, but he used to shoot AR's when we didn't have stupid mag capacity laws
-We are snobs. ".22LR is for toys" attitude is prevalent in Canada and it's hard working against the snobism
-The current .22LR shortage lol
The best way to go about it is to go AROUND IPSC. The club rep won't let you shoot it? Make alternative arrangements with the club and do it on the outlaw basis. Accept any holster cert, but run it based on IPSC rules. People WILL come out to play and generate buzz. The only way to make it happen is through a combination of infiltration of new members and conversion of existing members until a critical mass is reached. Once enough people are shooting those matches, we can work on getting some sanctioned matches going.
FWIW, there was HUGE interest in downrange rimfire shooting at my club. This week we held a limited test event (busting some clays with .22's) and everybody had a blast. It will probably become a regular thing - clays/steel targets with .22's, downrange.
-Most IPSC guys in Canada are handgun only. You can only get a black badge shooting a centerfire handgun and most members focus on that. It's hard enough getting a centerfire rifle match going at most clubs (the only exceptions in the last half-decade were EESA and Peterborough). The handgunners are a majority in the region and all clubs. I recently converted one to play with long guns, but he used to shoot AR's when we didn't have stupid mag capacity laws
-We are snobs. ".22LR is for toys" attitude is prevalent in Canada and it's hard working against the snobism
-The current .22LR shortage lol
The best way to go about it is to go AROUND IPSC. The club rep won't let you shoot it? Make alternative arrangements with the club and do it on the outlaw basis. Accept any holster cert, but run it based on IPSC rules. People WILL come out to play and generate buzz. The only way to make it happen is through a combination of infiltration of new members and conversion of existing members until a critical mass is reached. Once enough people are shooting those matches, we can work on getting some sanctioned matches going.
FWIW, there was HUGE interest in downrange rimfire shooting at my club. This week we held a limited test event (busting some clays with .22's) and everybody had a blast. It will probably become a regular thing - clays/steel targets with .22's, downrange.
Canadian influence too.. Our centerfire rifles are limited to reliable cheap 10, reliable expensive 13-15, unreliable less expensive 13-15rds. Our rimfire rifles can run as many as 30rds (max allowed by IPSC rules). A CoF might be more fun with 2-3 times more ammo capacity as long as all we're doing is drilling cardboard... One thing's for sure, no military/police service issues open guns for daily carry and I sure wouldn't wanna go to war dressed like a smalltime Russian gangster:
Hell, we even ban practical combat wear.. Well don't officially ban it, but we "strongly discourage" it and then leave it up to the MD's discretion. Vince already has his heart on expanding the camo ban that is not a ban and most likely forcing us to wear skirts instead of pants
Last time I heard, .22LR guns were considered "firearms" in Canada and across the globe. Potato guns, not so much. And what's your problem with Asian people?
All those stupid changes happen because certain nations (mostly Asia) can not use centerfire ammo for IPSC shooting.
Next time, don't put any words I have never say in my mouth Mr 1000 post a day person
There is nothing wrong with "rimfire action pistol", "rimfire action rifle" or any variations of this, and if the people organizing these matches want to adopt selected rules or qualifications from IPSC, USPDA, IDPA, SASS, XYZ, ABC, or other disciplines that is fine with me.
But please don't refer to it as "IPSC" or even "IPSC style", come up with a new name.
But please don't refer to it as "IPSC" or even "IPSC style", come up with a new name.
All those stupid changes happen because certain nations (mostly Asia) can not use centerfire ammo for IPSC shooting.
Next time, don't put any words I have never say in my mouth Mr 1000 post a day person
Actually, most of the world is like that.. Add to that the fact that there was a MASSIVE exodus of IPSC long gun shooters once we got OUR stupid mag capacity laws. We're at a point where people who used to shoot IPSC matches with long guns are either seniors/super-seniors or not doing IPSC at all.. Most of those that are left have sold their AR's and invested in handguns. That's the biggest inertial mass that needs to be overcome - being a handgun-only club. Other than that, there is no real reason why we can't have some fun with rimfire rifles from time to time.
The reason I said IPSC style was to avoid the issues with the organization sanctioning matches etc. I think it would be interesting to try...and yes cost is a huge factor for most people in a hobby. I think a lot more people would be willing to try (500rds of .22LR vs. 500rds of .40S&W) and also get hooked and move up to centerfire soon after.
Just my thoughts.
Just my thoughts.
