Rimfire IPSC style?
- Thread starter Scott76
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I mean my friend hes ex military and I'm ex military and shoot IPSC, I thought it be a great way to have some fun, allow younger people to get into action shooting and just have fun w/o spending 100s $ on ammo for a match.
Tongarirohiker
CGN Regular
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- Edmonton, AB
Don't forget Steel Challenge. It is also open to rimfire shooters, and is a ton of fun.
Our club has rimfire division for pistol and 3 gun competitions. For our CQB Fun Shoots rimfire s are permitted but divisions are based on the type of sights or optics used so rimfire and centrefire shoot together. I think it's more important to get people out to try action shooting and have some fun than conform to some rules that are based on defensive shooting, especially when we can't carry our pistol off the range anyway. Plus allowing rimfire allows new shooters to try it out, if the like and want to upgrade they can, if they don't like it, they haven't needlessly spent money.
Tongarirohiker
CGN Regular
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- Edmonton, AB
Which club?
More video from the Philippines.. Crazy part is, those guys are also better than most Canadians with centerfire rifles. The corporate sponsorships help... The talent development certainly led to them and they feed into better talent development.. (this little commentary was in the context of action shooting in general, not just the rimfire variety) Chicken or the egg? 
Medicine Hat Rifle and Revolver Club
Other "sports"
Well interesting thread. I work in sports, mostly development programs that try to build and grow the sport. Here on this thread we have two common methods of thinking I see in my job, old guards vs people that what to try (newbies). You have someone that has a .22 most likely cause it's affordable to use and very cheap to enter the sport with, than you have the old guards that want certain rules kept and maintain etc because that how it is.
Well ISPC (idpa) old guards if you want your sport to stay around and grow I would start to grow at the .22 level. Maybe not include them your most holy of matches but develop another section so you can have people that can enter the sport at afforable level, this will help grow your sport. Right now, your sports like many even hockey is in large demographic switch with changing social attitudes that are going away from "violence" and are under attack (no body checking in peewee hockey, coming to bantam soon) and being PC. If you had a .22 level, I bet most would switch to the center fire in a short time thus giving you more people and growing your beloved sport that you want to protect. You are trying protect the sport from .22s but it's doing more damage than not allowing them in, in terms of pr, which the firearms world needs some good pr.
My question is why can't you allow people to use .22 as a different section of ipsc or idpa (I'm not looking for a rule response), You have everything setup at matches etc already. Like in golf, do I need the new taylormade driver to play 18 holes of course not ,I can down to my Walmart and get a driver for $20 and probably beat most of you, so what is the difference really? Break the sport down to the basic level..your using a handgun with bullets...really who gives a crap if it's .22, .38 .9mm let's not create barriers so people can't enter and enjoy a fun sport. ipsc people tear down this wall and welcome a subset into your sport
Well interesting thread. I work in sports, mostly development programs that try to build and grow the sport. Here on this thread we have two common methods of thinking I see in my job, old guards vs people that what to try (newbies). You have someone that has a .22 most likely cause it's affordable to use and very cheap to enter the sport with, than you have the old guards that want certain rules kept and maintain etc because that how it is.
Well ISPC (idpa) old guards if you want your sport to stay around and grow I would start to grow at the .22 level. Maybe not include them your most holy of matches but develop another section so you can have people that can enter the sport at afforable level, this will help grow your sport. Right now, your sports like many even hockey is in large demographic switch with changing social attitudes that are going away from "violence" and are under attack (no body checking in peewee hockey, coming to bantam soon) and being PC. If you had a .22 level, I bet most would switch to the center fire in a short time thus giving you more people and growing your beloved sport that you want to protect. You are trying protect the sport from .22s but it's doing more damage than not allowing them in, in terms of pr, which the firearms world needs some good pr.
My question is why can't you allow people to use .22 as a different section of ipsc or idpa (I'm not looking for a rule response), You have everything setup at matches etc already. Like in golf, do I need the new taylormade driver to play 18 holes of course not ,I can down to my Walmart and get a driver for $20 and probably beat most of you, so what is the difference really? Break the sport down to the basic level..your using a handgun with bullets...really who gives a crap if it's .22, .38 .9mm let's not create barriers so people can't enter and enjoy a fun sport. ipsc people tear down this wall and welcome a subset into your sport
heavenIsAlie
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- Abbotsford
great theory.... but the fastest growing shooting sport right now is 3 gun, which has no rimfire option, and requires you to buy 3 guns, not just one. So clearly cost to play doesnt keep people away if they want to try a sport.
Exactly...
There's nothing wrong with using .22's in an action shooting game, but... If there really was a demand for .22 IPSC or whatever, it probably would have happened already. It hasn't.
To quote a friend of mine... "Build it and they will come".
Thing is I've never heard of ONE person advocating for .22 IPSC or whatever taking it to the next level and actually doing it.
Instead they suggest someone else modify their match to suit the .22 shooters.
That said....
At the next Team Hoser match we've added a rimfire carbine division. We'll see how it goes and maybe I'll end up eatin' me some crow... Lol
And it's mostly the old guard pushing the growth because IPSC got lazy on rifle action shooting (especially in our section, which makes up about 50% of the entire region) since the proliferation of LAR mags. That's why I attended more 2gun/3gun matches this year than IPSC matches. Some exceptions to the rule:
[after a 4 year drought] IPSC rifle: EESA threw a GREAT rifle match and Peterborough threw 2 matches involving rifles in 2014
Rimfire: GRGC is holding a 3gun rules but single gun match that allows one to declare rimfire carbine division. A good chunk of the field (including one of our top centerfire rifle shooters) signed up for it.
There is a definite interest and the training and equipment costs are a lot lower. The ammo is is 1/4 the cost and one can build an open gun that'll be good enough to win most Level III's (as long as you got the skills, of course lol) in the $1500 ballpark, optics included.
The bigger issue where rimfire divisions help are indoor ranges only rated for pistol calibers. One can just throw on a 22lr upper or break out the 10/22 and run some cqb stages while waiting for the weather to allow for some outdoor centerfire fun.
Major edit: Also think about our outdoor ranges. Most are in the 100-200yd ballpark and many whiners say that you can't set up a challenging long gun match when that's all you have to work with. Well, guess what... Shooting 22lr out to 150 is about as challenging when it comes to Arkansas as 223rem out to 400 (ballpark figure). So to all of those who say "you can't shoot a real rifle match on a 150yd range because you don't have to worry about the windage or bullet drop" I say "you can, but shoot rimfire".
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Yes but those could be people already in firearms world and that's why you are seeing growth].I was more talking about the first time handgun owner not someone that a safe full of arms. I doubt someone just got there license and went bought three guns just for 3 guns, I bet majority of 3 gun new people have one or two guns applicable and add do to the sport so it's not really organic growth.
In terms of demand, ipsc is very expensive to get in..firearms in general are..if you made it afforable by allowing 22s you would see the sport grow, it's simple economics, the rules have made it a high cost sport thus a high cost to enter.
In terms of demand, ipsc is very expensive to get in..firearms in general are..if you made it afforable by allowing 22s you would see the sport grow, it's simple economics, the rules have made it a high cost sport thus a high cost to enter.
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Oh! The snobbery exists. I cringe when I witness center-fire shooters
welcoming new members who have never shot before and one of the
first thing out of their mouth is, "You will start with rimfire, which have
no recoil at all and then ............. blah, blah, blah.........."
Cost to play is keeping this person away. I shoot. I like to shoot.
I don't feel that I have to prove my manhood by shooting all the
largest centerfires. I'd like to try a .22 variation of pseudo-IPSC.
of pseudo-CAS but in .22 single action revolvers (I neither have
nor want centrefire rifles, nor do I want shotguns.)
