The .308 debate. What would you get?

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And never ever ever ever ever sell it...

I have a few nice 762x51 bolts, and the LMT keeps up with them just fine...at least out to 500m... It's the furthest I have been able to shoot due to range limitations....
 
Kel-Tec RFB never gets mentioned anymore... kinda faded away.
What's the CGN general consensus on it?

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Never mind, I just realized they use different mags.

They are still here & going strong! Great compact hunting rifle but yeah.. will not accept Pmags: FN mags only.
 
My LMT 308 was okay, but I felt it was over-rated for the price, and was disappointed with performance. Sold it.
My Armalite AR-10T was a POS jam o matic until I figured out (after much hassle) what was wrong.

If I did it again, I'd go with a Les Bauer 308 for a restricted piece. For non restricted precision or DMR, a NM Springfield; I will reserve judgement on the ATRS rifle until it has been out for a while.

For a 308 battle rifle--SG 542 or M14 type rifle...

And yes, the DPMS 308's are great rifles for the money. Mine averaged about .9 moa for about $1900.
 
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My LMT 308 was okay, but I felt it was over-rated for the price, and was disappointed with performance. Sold it.
My Armalite AR-10T was a POS jam o matic until I figured out (after much hassle) what was wrong.

If I did it again, I'd go with a Les Bauer 308 for a restricted piece. For non restricted precision or DMR, a NM Springfield; I will reserve judgement on the ATRS rifle until it has been out for a while.

For a 308 battle rifle--SG 542 or M14 type rifle...

And yes, the DPMS 308's are great rifles for the money. Mine averaged about .9 moa for about $1900.

That is certainly an interesting mix bag of suggestions.

From your personal choice of opting for a Les Baer as your if-i'd-do-it-again to the suggestion of an FAMAE SG-542 (@ $2,700) for a battle rifle??!

For that budget, there are a number of AR10s that would out perform that rifle - why not get the most out of your hard earned $$$.
 
My Armalite AR-10T ( propriatery mags) is extremely accurate and as reliable as they get... Did not experience one malfunction with many different ammo. it is a sweet shooting AR... JP.

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Nice rifle everyone, pbr I really like that lmt, especially with that nightforce on it!

To me shooting 308 is expensive, but also really fun so I have to balance it for now. So my compromise is ammo, I Don't shoot 2-3$ ammo true my semi auto, I shoot .40-.50 $ norinco ammo and it give me 2-3" spread at 100 yard true my rfb and blackfeather socom18. To me this is good accuracy and I am happy with that I prefer to go to the range and shoot 80 rounds of norc then only 10-20 of expensive stuff and I don't plain to reload.

I know I will dive in the 308 ar market at one point and it will probably be a atrs MH or dpms g2 or something but it will be much more expensive to shoot and that one turn down. My burris e1 are awsome for the money on my rfb and m14 but I will be putting a nightforce nxs on a atrs wen I buy one and shooting factory match ammo.......... that reminds me, I need to go check my 40 millions lotto ticket !

Wish me luck! If I win il drop the cash to have atrs develop a modern hunter in 223 and 300 win mag ;)
 
That is certainly an interesting mix bag of suggestions.

From your personal choice of opting for a Les Baer as your if-i'd-do-it-again to the suggestion of an FAMAE SG-542 (@ $2,700) for a battle rifle??!

For that budget, there are a number of AR10s that would out perform that rifle - why not get the most out of your hard earned $$$.

Yes. It is a mixed bag due to the roles I feel these models have, as well as their capabilities. For instance, for my NR battle rifle suggestion: M14 (go with the inexpensive norc, or more expensive standard springfield--whatever one can afford). I don't think the SG 542 would be accurate enough for a DMR, so I put it in the NR "battle rifle" catagory.

I should have been clearer--my choice for a restricted precision semi 308: Les Bauer--they'll at least give you an accuracy guarantee.
I would exclude all Armalite 308's simply based on my experience with their product (this was years ago), but also due to their lack of support with said product. People I respect here like theirs, but mine was a big time lemon. :(

Which leads us to DPMS--the winner for restricted semi auto 308 catagory of best value for the dollar.
My opinion(s) only. People's experiences will obviously differ.

We (on CGN) should do an "Academy Awards" night once a year :) Members of "the Academy" (CGN) should vote for rifles in a number of endless catagories "best new hunting rifle", best" restricted semi auto sniper rifle," "Best non-restricted semi auto" etc., It might be a good way to hi-light why we can't just buy the best rifle out there for our purposes (because we in Canada, unlike the US, have to consider a rifle's NR or restricted statuses)

Anyhow, I'm mostly kidding about the Academy Awards thing. Although I'd like an excuse to wear my tuxedo (aka the penguin suit) for more than the one time I did :) Unfortunately, I'm not kidding about having to seriously consider NR or R status when choosing a rifle for my needs or future (such as resale).
 
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Do tell. In what way was the performance a let down?

I can probably answer that.
It's heavy like a boat anchor, one expects accuracy as the trade off for that.
You're not guaranteed a sub moa, or even 1 moa, rifle with the mws unless you go for one of the stainless barrels.
The standard Chrome lined might shoot, it might not. I've seen some only capable of 1.5moa, others running sub moa. This is with lots of time spent working up loads for each. I had two cl 16" barrels, two 18" ss barrels and one 20" ss barrel for my mws, and a couple friends that owned the 16" cl version of the mws.
In the end, it's heavy and cumbersome, the dpms g2 that replaced it is light and compact, and is more accurate than most Chrome lined mws'.
 
At one point, i was interrested a getting a LMT but at the end i realized that a KAC SR25 is the way to go, to have the best ( no personal experience with any except my KAC SR15 that show me how good those are and all the reading and reviews i could get on them )...
There is one in my future if we can avoid turdo in the next election, i hate waiting but those are a huge investment like 6 X 1000.00 rifles... JP.
 
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Do tell. In what way was the performance a let down?

ntm has touched on some of my experiences as well.

I was partially seduced by the hype/gun magazine reviews, and also because the LMT was more available to buy in Canada.
The stock chrome lined bbl was fairly accurate with my mexican match, and even one factory ball load approached moa. I was really looking forward to what the LMT match SS 20" bbls could do. The best I could manage with tweaked mex match handloads was about 1 moa, but wasn't consistantly so. I did get one half moa (3 shot) group at 200m once with fed match, but it too was just a over moa at best with the 20" SS bbl.
For that money, I wanted moa or better. I even obtained a quality torque wrench just to make sure I was putting the barrel on properly, as LMT's included wrench was junk as far as I'm concerned. It made no difference.

I agree with ntm, I had a (old model) DPMS LR 308 for far less $, and it performed better.
 
ntm has touched on some of my experiences as well.

I was partially seduced by the hype/gun magazine reviews, and also because the LMT was more available to buy in Canada.
The stock chrome lined bbl was fairly accurate with my mexican match, and even one factory ball load approached moa. I was really looking forward to what the LMT match SS 20" bbls could do. The best I could manage with tweaked mex match handloads was about 1 moa, but wasn't consistantly so. I did get one half moa (3 shot) group at 200m once with fed match, but it too was just a over moa at best with the 20" SS bbl.
For that money, I wanted moa or better. I even obtained a quality torque wrench just to make sure I was putting the barrel on properly, as LMT's included wrench was junk as far as I'm concerned. It made no difference.

I agree with ntm, I had a (old model) DPMS LR 308 for far less $, and it performed better.

Well, they certainly are chunky. Pretty much on par with most other 10 models out there that offer a monolithic rail.
I wouldn't expect much from Mexican match from any barrel - especially a HB 16" Chrome lined one.
Mine throws IVI into ~5" at 100m, but that is a product of crappy ammo.
It holds minute of Fig. 12 at 800m though with halfway decent ammo, so I have no complaints.
If it wasn't restricted to the range, I might feel differently.

I know a few here are really pumped about the new DPMS, but I think the jury is out - I'll wait and see how these things take a continual pounding from .308. I suspect we are less than a couple of years off hearing of issues...
 
Well, they certainly are chunky. Pretty much on par with most other 10 models out there that offer a monolithic rail.
I wouldn't expect much from Mexican match from any barrel - especially a HB 16" Chrome lined one.
Mine throws IVI into ~5" at 100m, but that is a product of crappy ammo.
It holds minute of Fig. 12 at 800m though with halfway decent ammo, so I have no complaints.
If it wasn't restricted to the range, I might feel differently.

I know a few here are really pumped about the new DPMS, but I think the jury is out - I'll wait and see how these things take a continual pounding from .308. I suspect we are less than a couple of years off hearing of issues...

I'd love to see a company like knights or lmt take the g2 concept and refine/test their own version of it.

As of now though, hiccups so far are just the oversized firing pin hole of the first batch of them, corrected now in the current run.
Durability wise nothing is popping up yet for myself or anybody down south.
Got around 2000 rounds through mine so far, should be at the 3000 round mark by spring, in time for three gun season. Then things should ramp up.
Curious to see how the elastomer extractor spring holds up once I really start pounding the ammo through it.
 
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