Rimfire IPSC style?

I sounds funny, people getting all bent out of shape about trying to encourage more shooters to join in shooting games.

The primary reason I, and everyone I know, doesn't partake in IPSC is cost. 500 rounds a day, 1000 rounds a day, of centerfire ammo, that's not small change. And that says nothing of the limited budgets of a father trying to get his young son interested in shooting sports. Cost is a major barrier to entry. I am surprised that we are not actively searching for fun, low cost, easy to pick-up games which will encourage new shooters to join in. That's how you grow a sport.
 
OP, I for one would LOVE to do some organized rimfire action shooting, or any for that matter really. There is not much out here...

Moose308 said:
I sounds funny, people getting all bent out of shape about trying to encourage more shooters to join in shooting games.

The primary reason I, and everyone I know, doesn't partake in IPSC is cost. 500 rounds a day, 1000 rounds a day, of centerfire ammo, that's not small change. And that says nothing of the limited budgets of a father trying to get his young son interested in shooting sports. Cost is a major barrier to entry. I am surprised that we are not actively searching for fun, low cost, easy to pick-up games which will encourage new shooters to join in. That's how you grow a sport.
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100% agree with you. I have mostly center fire rifles and handguns, but I have so much more fun shooting my rimfires because i can just shoot for hours and it would still not cost as much as a few boxes of 9mm or 223.

Not sure what all this infighting is about, I guess some people just like imposing their values on others. Reminds me of antis :rolleyes: What happened to us championing liberty and free will.

PeterPan said:
Air gun is also legitimate and have never seen even one match shot with air pistols :)
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They happen quite frequently in the GTA and Montreal areas that I know of, probably out west as well. They are just not at ranges, because they don't have to be.
 
Moose308 said:
The primary reason I, and everyone I know, doesn't partake in IPSC is cost. 500 rounds a day, 1000 rounds a day, of centerfire ammo, that's not small change. And that says nothing of the limited budgets of a father trying to get his young son interested in shooting sports. Cost is a major barrier to entry. I am surprised that we are not actively searching for fun, low cost, easy to pick-up games which will encourage new shooters to join in. That's how you grow a sport.
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Well the primary reason I and everyone I know doesn't partake in yacht racing is cost...

The whole IPSC is too expensive because of the ammo argument is getting tired. If the cost of ammo alone is keeping someone out of the game, well... I guess the cost of a BB course, gas to and from the matches and the match fees themselves are going to make them have a stroke.

Where is it written that everyone is entitled to everything at a cost they can afford...?

From personal experience... I can attest that the cost of ammo doesn't even register against the cost of everything else associated with being somewhat active in the shooting sports.
Really... To drag some people into the game there'd have to be .22's allowed, gas would have to dip to 49 cents a liter, match fees would have to be eliminated and free lunches provided.
 
I just bought a .22 conversion kit for my AR so I could compete in the Team Hoser Match. I have had it out a couple of times, and I am definitely going to be doing some training it with it this year. It will be great for transitions, stop and start drills, shooting on the move drills. Kinda wish i had bought one a few years earlier....great training aide!

Some winter matches would be fun with .22's.....don't have to worry about the brass!
 
It really depends on how much you "want to spend". A match may typically be 150-300 rounds so if you reload, lets say .15-.20 cents a shot so lets say 23.00 - 60.00. Your local match fee may be 20-30.00 (big matches are more). So not including gas to the match, you are probably looking at 60-100.00 to shoot a match. That is comparable to a round of golf.

If you start saying you want to practice everyday to be a champion, your costs go way up. Of course, you could dry fire, shoot air soft or even shoot .22 as part of your practice regime.

You "can" shoot most types of center fire pistols (9mm and up) and find a division that will work for you.

If you decide you want to be a champion, then more practice, fancier guns and a travel budget will now add to the expense but you don't HAVE TO do any of these things just to participate in the sport.
 
7.62mm said:
I just bought a .22 conversion kit for my AR so I could compete in the Team Hoser Match. I have had it out a couple of times, and I am definitely going to be doing some training it with it this year.
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Did someone just divide by zero..?

Lol
 
heavenIsAlie said:
great theory.... but the fastest growing shooting sport right now is 3 gun, which has no rimfire option, and requires you to buy 3 guns, not just one. So clearly cost to play doesnt keep people away if they want to try a sport.
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I think cost is keeping people away. We don't have IPSC or IDPA in Medicine Hat, but the club runs pistol and 3 gun matches using simplified rules and a rimfire division. We also had an informal league night last year and some CQB fun shoots, both allowed rimfire. I have talked to several members throughout the year that were interested in action shooting but hesitant to get involved due to cost (for firearms, accessories, ammo). With encouragement we got several of these shooters out to try fun shoots or matches. By allowing rimfire we have had shooters come out with 10/22's with the standard 10 rd mags in their pockets. After they experienced it some have stayed with rimfire and have upgrade their accessories and some have upgraded to centrefire.

The only real difference I see is that the RO must call hits on steel as often then will not fall. For rimfire shooters the disadvantage is that it is difficult to see your hits on cardboard so you may not out that extra round into the target when required. Unlike the .45 cal cookie cutters where it is pretty obvious if another round is required.
 
As I mentioned in this thread, the biggest advantage to Canadian rifle shooters is that you can put together a challenging match involving all aspects of rifle marksmanship on a typical Canadian outdoor range, which you can't really do with centerfire rifles.

Also, the cost savings do add up. Just the initial setup for an open gun is $3000 cheaper (mostly optics). Increased ammo capacity also saves $$$ on accessories and in a way makes it more of a realistic experience. Then you save 10c with every trigger pull. Yes, at the very top level, you won't be saving much, but how many Canadians shoot at the very top level. Most of us peons shoot 5-10 local matches a year.

It's no coincidence that some of the better regions in northern Europe and in Asia have lively rimfire AND centerfire scenes, running concurrently. Many shooters (including some of their best) shoot both.
 
7.62mm said:
I just bought a .22 conversion kit for my AR so I could compete in the Team Hoser Match. I have had it out a couple of times, and I am definitely going to be doing some training it with it this year. It will be great for transitions, stop and start drills, shooting on the move drills. Kinda wish i had bought one a few years earlier....great training aide!

Some winter matches would be fun with .22's.....don't have to worry about the brass!
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The rimfire revolution has begun!!
I'm working on the T-shirts.
We're gonna show the Hosers what's what with our .22lr AR15 masterpieces.

As a wise man once said
They hate us cause they ain't us!
 
Who has time for training? It's hard enough making it out to matches.

Why do you have to show up the Hosers? Lol. As i see it, we're the only ones putting on matches that include rimfire.

If the demand is there, we might build it bigger (next time).
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
As I mentioned in this thread, the biggest advantage to Canadian rifle shooters is that you can put together a challenging match involving all aspects of rifle marksmanship on a typical Canadian outdoor range, which you can't really do with centerfire rifles.
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At the risk of hurting some feelings...
From what I've seen over and over again, ANY rifle match is a challenge for most shooters.
If they don't know what their sight off-set is at close range and they end up missing 6" targets at 5 yrds.... They can't make hits on 5, 4" targets at 75 yards without going through three beowolf mags.
 
I think the overall argument is cost....but I can understand why people entrenched in the existing variations have no support or interest in playing with rimfires. I can understand that....but I think what they miss is the fact it brings people into the sport. Is that not good for everybody?
 
It's cost but also barriers with rules that have driven the cost very high and old guards that won't accept change...if you don't change, change will happen. Look at hockey, our sports has change a lot in ten years and people have had to change and those you haven't arr working anymore
 
667 said:
Where is it written that everyone is entitled to everything at a cost they can afford...?
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Nobody is saying they are "entitled" to anything.

Just saying it would be nice if there was a healthy rimfire division so people who don't want to spend big money on guns and big money on ammo can also partake in a fun sport. That neither damages nor threatens the existing base of centerfire gamers. If anything, it creates a nice "junior league" for new shooters to develop from and move into the big boy divisions. You don't start playing hockey by jumping straight into the NHL, and if you want to race sailboats there are Lasers rather than yachts.

No need to put up roadblocks to stop people from having fun with shooting sports.
 
I don't think anyone is putting up "roadblocks"... Few people, if any are even arguing against action. 22...Some of us are in fact opening up our matches to rimfire.
That said... I don't see any "new" shooters registered for the match.
It's all experienced centerfire guys... 'Some of whom are what I'd call "accomplished" and I'll bet a brick of Whizz-Bang's none of 'em are shooting rimfire this match to save a few dollars. My guess is most of 'em used the match as an excuse to buy another toy, namely some sort of .22 set up... Lol
 
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