Norc bashing is it really warranted?

Haters be haters....
THAT is all!:p

I just want to see some distance.... Jeeze, that too much to ask? Lol
What if the 100m groups open up to 10 inches? Is it still a 2moa rifle because it shoots "around that" at 50m?
Maybe we should have quantifiers with accuracy claims...."its a 2moa rifle at 50m" or "my Nork 1911 shoots one ragged hole at 7 feet"....
 
Sure. You send me a scope to mount to my Norc for testing, or show me your 1MOA AR 15 shooting free hand (or non-"bench", still don't understand what this is supposed to imply.. as I get the same results prone shooting off a bag..like everyone who claims MOA or sub MOA is standing up shooting free hand...lol ) and I will say your comments carry some weight. Right now I'm the only one who has taken the time to put up some pics. FYI my buddy with his DPMS Oracle AR15 had larger groups with the same Ammo at 50M. He was running the same setup (Vortex Sparc with 3x magnif).

Remember.. I'm not saying the Norc is the best AR in the world. I am saying it is a great gun for the value and I am supporting the OP's thread.



I just want to see some distance.... Jeeze, that too much to ask? Lol
What if the 100m groups open up to 10 inches? Is it still a 2moa rifle because it shoots "around that" at 50m?
Maybe we should have quantifiers with accuracy claims...."its a 2moa rifle at 50m" or "my Nork 1911 shoots one ragged hole at 7 feet"....
 
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Sure. You send me a scope to mount to my Norc for testing, or show me your 1MOA AR 15 shooting free hand (or non-"bench", still don't understand what this is supposed to imply.. as I get the same results prone shooting off a bag..like everyone who claims MOA or sub MOA is standing up shooting free hand...lol ) and I will say your comments carry some weight. Right now I'm the only one who has taken the time to put up some pics. FYI my buddy with his DPMS Oracle AR15 had larger groups with the same Ammo at 50M. He was running the same setup (Vortex Sparc with 3x magnif).

Remember.. I'm not saying the Norc is the best AR in the world. I am saying it is a great gun for the value and I am supporting the OP's thread.

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Sure. You send me a scope to mount to my Norc for testing, or show me your 1MOA AR 15 shooting free hand (or non-"bench", still don't understand what this is supposed to imply.. as I get the same results prone shooting off a bag..like everyone who claims MOA or sub MOA is standing up shooting free hand...lol ) and I will say your comments carry some weight. Right now I'm the only one who has taken the time to put up some pics. FYI my buddy with his DPMS Oracle AR15 had larger groups with the same Ammo at 50M. He was running the same setup (Vortex Sparc with 3x magnif).

Remember.. I'm not saying the Norc is the best AR in the world. I am saying it is a great gun for the value and I am supporting the OP's thread.

Just saying a benched 50m group tells me very little about the gun or shooters capabilities....I can't take that as a serious 2moa claim, not for centerfire, rimfire no prob....lol
And really it's more a CGN thing where accuracy claims are made at very short ranges, I see lots of targets posted for centerfire at 25m-50m sometimes even scoped... I'd like to see 100m minimum, 200m is better still. I'd only give props to anyone even if the groups were not great at 100m/200m for at least trying....
I'd send you a scope but the highest power I have is 10x...and according to CGN you would need at least a 36x to shoot all the way out to 100m
 
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Purchased a 12.5" grizzly 870 style shotgun new from CanAM. It wouldn't chamber a round from the tube magazine. I took it to a gunsmith friend to see if it was an easy fix, after they stopped laughing I sent it back to CanAM (they paid shipping). Net result was zero, but won't purchase another because of this.
Love the idea, but quality control is terrible.
Also at the range a brand new 1911 out of grease and the chamber was rusty - it caused failure to extracts.
 
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Couldn't resist. LOL

Just saying a benched 50m group tells me very little about the gun or shooters capabilities....I can't take that as a serious 2moa claim, not for centerfire, rimfire no prob....lol
And really it's more a CGN thing where accuracy claims are made at very short ranges, I see lots of targets posted for centerfire at 25m-50m sometimes even scoped... I'd like to see 100m minimum, 200m is better still. I'd only give props to anyone even if the groups were not great at 100m/200m for at least trying....
 
Oddly enough I have to agree with rifle accuracy 100yds should be the minimum once you are setup with a center fire. I will see what I can produce out of my m305, once I am out at the range for a rifle day.

I expect to at least manage enough accuracy that I can hit a soup can (standing up right) at that range.
 
I've owned a few Norinco exports. The highest quality firearms were the JW-25a and the CQA. I did end up selling both and I think in the future I'll save up for higher quality firearms rather than purchase a Norinco. You basically have to upgrade their firearms or do some tinkering, which in the end doesn't make them all that economical. The JW-25a was a very precise shooter though, at least mine was.
 
ever thought that maybe its just you?
not saying it to be mean or trollish but if i went to the well 20 times and 20 times i got a bucket of #### then id start to think its me and not the well, know what i mean?

Meanwhile I would assume the well was full of ####.

The fact that I became the unofficial gunsmith for a lot of people at my unit...and I saw plenty of norcs come in with issues including that one brand new out of the box you had to kick to cycle. (ive handled one off the wall at a gun store with the same issue)
Most of the guys that i've met that are happy with them (stock) Have had them for years and have the fallowing situations:
1)have only shot a few hundred rounds at most because they can't afford the ammo
2) Are unaware they have a serious mechanical failure and just right it off as part of the chinese gun and continue to happily plink away as the gun suffers from problem such as :stove piping 2 rounds out of every mag, perpetual double feeds , splits cases, rattling parts off or jams/short strokes while cycling
3) have never shot a better gun to compare it too
 
1911A1C ... Owned two, one was ok, the other was a train wreck
Owned two np34's... Both had feed issues
Several norc short shotguns... Meh... Ok, one really sucked.
Norc 10.5 AR... Ran good for about 100 rounds then something went off the rails.
I'm done buying cheap.
You get what you pay for.
 
The best chinese gun I've bought to date is the NS522 that was made for Kengs in the 90's. Pretty decent barrel, trigger is good but non-adjustable, action isn't a complete train wreck of gouges and tool marks, bolt assembly is pretty rough though, and they stuck it in a POS chu wood stock that doesn't fit right and was inletted by a chainsaw. They used 4 common steel washers as "spacers" for the trigger guard due to the half assed stock fit and the rubber butt pad smells like burnt pubic hair. $250 full price, $199 on sale. That is the best rifle they could make, and it's still completely unacceptable if made by any north american company standards. YOU have to FCK around with it and finish up the product to make it acceptable. It does shoot well, but no better then my cheap $300 Zastava Z5, and it comes in a walnut stock, with great deep blueing, great adjustable trigger, smooth action. Put the 2 side by side and that $50 difference looks like $500....just no comparison of craftsmanship.
 
Playing again? Love it! And yes I miss my BIG RED Brembos on my Turbo before kids, your turn. :)

Big red brembos in a (I assume) 911 turbo to a dodge caravan? My have you fallen far, what a Mercedes R500 was too much? Either you are lying, or you make some eccentric purchasing decisions.
 
Big red brembos in a (I assume) 911 turbo to a dodge caravan? My have you fallen far, what a Mercedes R500 was too much? Either you are lying, or you make some eccentric purchasing decisions.

Well had to man up and do the family thing seeing as how the jump seats in the back were not baby seat friendly, lying?

Nope, good thing the mini van is long gone now I have an FJ for going shooting.
 
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Well had to man up and do the family thing seeing as how the jump seats in the back were not baby seat friendly, lying?

Not like some....

I kept my sports car... fought tooth an nail, but I won!

My old man had a MGB. When my older brother was born my mom told him he needs a family car. He sells the MGB and buys a 1976 Alpha Romeo Giulia 4-door with a 1.6L. One would think someone should get something more reliable than a MGB.


On topic... I'm done buying Norcs. Perhaps a M305 one day at a good price.
 
I won't be buying anymore Norcs either as my NP34 and 12.5" tube fed Grizzly are good ones and all I need.

Main thing is they function well, and allowed me to buy my Ruger 22/45 as well, so had a choice buy a true single SIG for around 1000.00 or get these 3 for around 1200.00.

All I know is they fill the need and have worked well from the get go for me. Would have kept my 2nd M305 as well but was offered good money for the shorty and ended up buying a Savage Hog Hunter in.223 for my truck gun as .308 was expensive and a waste for gophers and paper.

Seems there is no agreeing here, just a bunch of people with different opinions, different needs, different budgets,and different experiences.

I might upgrade to a Glock sometime but at this point I prefer the feel of the all metal SIG design however my 22/45 is my 1st Poly frame so I might be swayed.....
 
So to sum up....Norks are hit and miss, BUT the odds are overwhelming that you will get a good shooter for little money...and that gets you in the game for a bush beater, range toy or until you can afford the higher priced brand name.

A $300 Norinco today sure beats the $750 big name that you can't afford for a very long time. But you will someday. Just not right now.
 
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