First Anniversary Coming Up, Ottawa Has My FN FAL For A Year

How can I get information on how many CAs are in the hands of the RCMP and how long are they being held hostage from legal owners?

If I can't can my MP get the information?

Can we get copies detailing the conversion reports sent to the registry on each of the CAs when they were registered?

We need to compile the number of CAs belonging to members of CGN.
If anyone has a CA in the RCMPs hands and wants to send me a PM I can send them my email address.
We have been fighting as individuals, because we don't have any idea how many are in the hands of the RCMP.
Get some numbers to provide ammunition for our MPs to do something about the problem.
If only one or two complain the MPs think its just isolated cases.

What do You Think?
 
Would an access to information be reasonable?
Number received? Cleared? In process?
Dates received, dates released?
 
I restrained myself from ordering a 12(3) L1A1 last year because of these stories. It' s enough that I can't take it out and shoot it but to pay for it and have it sit in a lab for 3 yrs... F da Police
 
Perhaps there can be private place here on this site where 12(3) owners & sellers can correspond out of the prying spying eyes (Hello Wendy!) that monitor CGN. A place where they can trade info with each other regarding wait times, answers and excuses given. We should have the ability to go to one person in Government to get this quickly sorted out. Is asinine that people who follow the rules are getting screwed from taking possession of their legally purchased property.
 
If you 12-3 owners want to send me a PM I will send you my email address and compile a private list of owners CA guns in the RCMPs hands.
I would like to make a list (without names) of the guns, and length of time they are being held, for my MP Rob Moore. If they don't know they don't take it serious.
If someone has a better idea let me know.
 
Epp's shouldn't have sold it without asking for your prohibited ticket. FAL's and any variant or modified version of it have been prohibited, by name Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13, since 1995.
You should be after Epp's for your money back. Unless you have the 12(3) licence. Then you need to contact your MP, assuming he or she is a Conservative. The assorted socialists will do nothing.
The Common Sense Firearms Act will change nothing that applies to the FAL.
Yes, they take vacations. Nobody takes over when they're absent and they have no qualifications.
 
sunray said:
Epp's shouldn't have sold it without asking for your prohibited ticket. FAL's and any variant or modified version of it have been prohibited, by name Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13, since 1995.
You should be after Epp's for your money back. Unless you have the 12(3) licence. Then you need to contact your MP, assuming he or she is a Conservative. The assorted socialists will do nothing.
The Common Sense Firearms Act will change nothing that applies to the FAL.
Yes, they take vacations. Nobody takes over when they're absent and they have no qualifications.
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The issue is not whether or not the OP has a 12.3 endorsement on this PAL. The issue lies with the RCMP unilaterally deciding that they needed to reverify that this firearm was indeed a 12.3 Converted Auto rather than a 12.5 Prohibited firearm by Order in Council.

When the rifle was brought to our store for consignment by the previous owner, it had been previously registered and approved as a 12.5, not a 12.3. However, someone at the Canada Firearms Registry decided the serial number qualified that gun as a 12.3, and thus the review was implemented.
 
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I have another FN FAL identical to this one with the exception of the muzzle break and bipod its a 12-5. I have one of the G series FN FALs sold through SIR it was used as a target rifle.
The registration on this one has a 13 digit number a verifier could correct it and that should be it.
I am going to have to start calling them each week about the gun, I can call and be polite but ask if there is any progress.
The OIC was applied to the FN rifles back in the day when the First L1 A1s appeared on the market in the 70s or the 80s.
I had a Lithgow L1 when the OIC came into affect, and I was told it carried on to the new classification 12-5.
 
Called again today and they are short staffed at the firearms center because a number of the staff and technicians are at the Shot Show. I am sure its on our dime.
I asked for a ball park number on how many guns are in their hands. The lady I talked to wouldn't say, but when I put out a number of over two hundred she said yes.
What does that tell you.
Also called my MPs office, they are calling again next week.
 
albayo said:
How can I get information on how many CAs are in the hands of the RCMP and how long are they being held hostage from legal owners?

If I can't can my MP get the information?

Can we get copies detailing the conversion reports sent to the registry on each of the CAs when they were registered?

We need to compile the number of CAs belonging to members of CGN.
If anyone has a CA in the RCMPs hands and wants to send me a PM I can send them my email address.
We have been fighting as individuals, because we don't have any idea how many are in the hands of the RCMP.
Get some numbers to provide ammunition for our MPs to do something about the problem.
If only one or two complain the MPs think its just isolated cases.

What do You Think?
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I do not have anything that they've tied up at the moment , but if compiling a list of 12(3) owners is of some help,I'd be on board!!!
 
Harrier .45 said:
9 January 2015

Albayo:

Not that this statement will put your issue in any better perspective, but unfortunately yours is not the only 12.x-class Prohib currently being "reviewed" by the RCMP. Along with your FN FAL, we have a VZ.58 purchased from our store on 26 July 2013 that was shipped to the RCMP for "reverification" on 9 October 2013. According to Purolator, that rifle was delivered to the RCMP depot on 10 October 2013, yet despite phone calls and E-mails by myself, and face-to-face inquiries by our manager, we have not had any update to the status of this "review" in nearly 18 months.

And then there is the case of an H&K G3 rifle sold on 7 November 2012. According to the CFO, this gun is a 12.3 Converted Auto. So far it has taken 14 months of argument back and forth between the Registry, the CFO, and our store to come up with no resolution as to the actual status and classification of this firearm.

This is by no means an attempt to make light of your situation, Albayo, only to advise yourself and others who read this thread that these situations do exist, and that despite the efforts we have made and are continuing to make toward resolving these situations, it appears to be the position of someone within the office of The Powers That Be that these guns should never fall into the hands of rightfully-licensed owners who have followed the required procedures to acquire and maintain their 12x status licenses, and have purchased those firearms in good faith, only to have the Big Brother of our government intervene in that transfer and sale "for the sake of public safety".

Hopefully some day we will see a version of the Common Sense Firearms Act actually come to light. And perhaps on that day a good portion of the BS that dominates this industry will find itself flushed away at last.

We can only hope. . . .
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The G3 came here in two versions, one with an automatic bolt carrier and selector and the other in semi auto only. I had one with both carriers and selectors. I made a good fortune selling it (legally) to an American dealer.
 
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