Obscured serial #'s in EE ads
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FreedomIsn'tFree
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- Republic of Buffalo.
I guess I'm just more careful than some about revealing information on the internet that is not needed to show the condition of a firearm I have for sale.
Fair enough.
Lee Enfield
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..." I like that $500.00 gun that I could never find myself...dialing 911, "hello Mr. policeman, Joe smith stole my gun...serial number 12345..."
It's happened, alternatively our friendly neighborhood police don't actually understand that winchester seril# 12345 isn't stolen remington serial# 12345.
I've known at least a dozen people who have been visited due to incompetent "agents of the crown" who either can't read or don't understand what I believe should be simple concepts.
The caller would be charged with public mischief. Pretty simple.
FreedomIsn'tFree
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- Republic of Buffalo.
Is this thread going down hill or is it just me?
FreedomIsn'tFree
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Republic of Buffalo.
I think that maybe trust in the system isn't very high anymore. All I know is that everything I can do to prevent an MRAP showing up if front of my house I'll do. LOL Yes, we have one in our little city, for what I'm not sure.
Is it just me or does the opening scene look like some kind of reenactment? Listen to the diction and vocabulary. "Firearm?" what dealer uses that term? I think I'd also like to see the writer and narrator take a punch in the throat...
either way, a guy can ##### and whine about it all he wants but people have their own opinions and ways of doing things. they will do it their way whether you like it or not. i was once selling a chainsaw online and displayed the serial number only to have some little prick declare it stolen. had the cops come to my house and everything. of course the fact that he claimed it went missing long ago and just reported it 2 days after i posted the ad. it was like nothing ever happened later but the cops took that saw away from me for a week. meanwhile i had owned that saw since new! i know pistols are different because they are registered but humans will be able to walk on water before you ever see me post a serial number online again regardless. why it would bother somebody so bad that someone don't wanna post a serial number online is beyond me. heck a guy could call the chief firearms office and say this guy did a fraudulent transfer without my permission and give the serial number. just to avoid that BS is enough for me, no thankyou! same with the thread on paying half for a pistol then the other half after the transfer. hahaha ya right. pay with (FRAUD ALERT) goods and services if you don't trust the guy but i feel having his address and phone number is good enough for me.
Avalonthas
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- Toronto ON
Most people conceal the serial number as police actively monitor this website.
Also in terms of those posting there license plates here (or anywhere on the internet). You would be amazed at how easy it is to obtain someones address from a license plate (especially in Ontario). Organized crime is prevalent in high end vehicle thefts, and in ancillary thefts - such as targeting those who they now know has firearms
But maybe I am paranoid due to my line of work.....oh well
Also in terms of those posting there license plates here (or anywhere on the internet). You would be amazed at how easy it is to obtain someones address from a license plate (especially in Ontario). Organized crime is prevalent in high end vehicle thefts, and in ancillary thefts - such as targeting those who they now know has firearms
But maybe I am paranoid due to my line of work.....oh well 
No they cant, they would need the Reg Certificate number. As well as the sellers PAL.
Most people conceal the serial number as police actively monitor this website.
Also in terms of those posting there license plates here (or anywhere on the internet). You would be amazed at how easy it is to obtain someones address from a license plate (especially in Ontario). Organized crime is prevalent in high end vehicle thefts, and in ancillary thefts - such as targeting those who they now know has firearms
So can't they see the license plate of every person driving?
Don't know what could happen, don't want to find out.
There is nothing wrong with protecting your private information in a public forum that ca be accessed by god knows who, you do not know where that photo goes or if someone stores it in their computer.
WHY would I do that?
Here goes the racial quote of the day which adds to the story: You Canadians are sometimes so naive that I cannot believe it. Then you wonder why 'NIGERIAN PRINCES' and KIJIJI scams target Canadians!
Something that shocked me when I got to Canada, people do not look to the sides when crossing a street. If they see 'WALK', they just WALK. In the Canadian mind, if it says 'WALK- I AM SAFE'.
People won't stop for one second to double check for cars missing the light! It happens!
Wow, how many idiots do you see a day texting and driving? One day one of those idiots will not see the red light and there you go. A very stupid way to die.
Wake up dudes! It's full of son of the b!tches out there.
Where I come from, every single bit of personal and private information can be used against you and it is. People make a living on other people's mistakes.
More often than not, organized crime gets information from someone you know, it can happen accidentally and it is usually a sequence of mistakes: when they are telling a story about you in a public room for instance, you do not know who is listening. It can happen and it happens. This rule applies for everything in life including buying items in cash, planning a holiday (time away from home), inheritance (people bragging about it), savings that are not deposited in a bank account (and you showed a friend, who then tells another friend, who then tells another friend).
I know countless of people that got robbed because at some point the bragged about 'something' they had or something they were going to do. People can do some scary #### when they are in trouble. Use your imagination.
In my lifetime, I got robbed & mugged more than 10 times. At home, on the street, etc. They were all random incidents but you learn from those experiences.
I have lost my grandfather by one robber too, I will spare you the details of his death. It happened exactly 21 years ago and we are still waiting to see any justice and we'll never will.
So, I have learnt a few things after these experiences and I apply these to my daily life. I have not been mugged or robbed since. Knock on wood.
Here is one example of identity theft that is unheard of in Canada but it happens in my country: Have you seen those 'family looking' stickers that you put on the trunk, window, rear windshield. The sticker that usually shows how many kids you have, pets, pretty much symbolizing your whole family? People have stopped using those stickers because if someone wants to do a 'virtual kidnap' (if you do not what that is, google it) they will use any piece of information possible to make the story believable and get money from you in the shortest amount of time possible. This is not Afghanistan by the way, this happens in most South American countries. By knowing how many family members you have, next step would be learning their names. Organized crime does this and does this diligently.
Next thing you know you are receiving a call from someone saying that your wife has been kidnapped, the person knows how your family members look and knows their names and they request a few thousand dollars ASAP to let them go. This happens so fast that most people ends up paying! You must be thinking 'oh well just hang up and call your wife'. This is organized crime, probably your wife is on the phone with someone else, nobody else will be able to reach her and they also tell you that if you hang up, some bad things will happen...Bad eh, well this is real and it happens in my country, daily. It got to the point that it is so common that some of my friends would receive random calls the same day. We are talking some serious organized crime, like the call centre of crime, something BIG. Now we are in the Facebook and social media era so it is even worse, which is why I do not post any personal information in those sites. This information can be accessed anywhere in the world in seconds, the same happens here, or do you think that all the CGN members are from Canada and live in Canada?
Organized crime does not happen randomly, and if it does it is not organized, it is more likely your neighbour's teenage kid breaking in because his is an idiot. So thinking that everybody else in here is just as nice as you is mistake #1.
WHY would I do that?
Here goes the racial quote of the day which adds to the story: You Canadians are sometimes so naive that I cannot believe it. Then you wonder why 'NIGERIAN PRINCES' and KIJIJI scams target Canadians!
Something that shocked me when I got to Canada, people do not look to the sides when crossing a street. If they see 'WALK', they just WALK. In the Canadian mind, if it says 'WALK- I AM SAFE'.
People won't stop for one second to double check for cars missing the light! It happens!
Wow, how many idiots do you see a day texting and driving? One day one of those idiots will not see the red light and there you go. A very stupid way to die.
Wake up dudes! It's full of son of the b!tches out there.
Where I come from, every single bit of personal and private information can be used against you and it is. People make a living on other people's mistakes.
More often than not, organized crime gets information from someone you know, it can happen accidentally and it is usually a sequence of mistakes: when they are telling a story about you in a public room for instance, you do not know who is listening. It can happen and it happens. This rule applies for everything in life including buying items in cash, planning a holiday (time away from home), inheritance (people bragging about it), savings that are not deposited in a bank account (and you showed a friend, who then tells another friend, who then tells another friend).
I know countless of people that got robbed because at some point the bragged about 'something' they had or something they were going to do. People can do some scary #### when they are in trouble. Use your imagination.
In my lifetime, I got robbed & mugged more than 10 times. At home, on the street, etc. They were all random incidents but you learn from those experiences.
I have lost my grandfather by one robber too, I will spare you the details of his death. It happened exactly 21 years ago and we are still waiting to see any justice and we'll never will.
So, I have learnt a few things after these experiences and I apply these to my daily life. I have not been mugged or robbed since. Knock on wood.
Here is one example of identity theft that is unheard of in Canada but it happens in my country: Have you seen those 'family looking' stickers that you put on the trunk, window, rear windshield. The sticker that usually shows how many kids you have, pets, pretty much symbolizing your whole family? People have stopped using those stickers because if someone wants to do a 'virtual kidnap' (if you do not what that is, google it) they will use any piece of information possible to make the story believable and get money from you in the shortest amount of time possible. This is not Afghanistan by the way, this happens in most South American countries. By knowing how many family members you have, next step would be learning their names. Organized crime does this and does this diligently.
Next thing you know you are receiving a call from someone saying that your wife has been kidnapped, the person knows how your family members look and knows their names and they request a few thousand dollars ASAP to let them go. This happens so fast that most people ends up paying! You must be thinking 'oh well just hang up and call your wife'. This is organized crime, probably your wife is on the phone with someone else, nobody else will be able to reach her and they also tell you that if you hang up, some bad things will happen...Bad eh, well this is real and it happens in my country, daily. It got to the point that it is so common that some of my friends would receive random calls the same day. We are talking some serious organized crime, like the call centre of crime, something BIG. Now we are in the Facebook and social media era so it is even worse, which is why I do not post any personal information in those sites. This information can be accessed anywhere in the world in seconds, the same happens here, or do you think that all the CGN members are from Canada and live in Canada?
Organized crime does not happen randomly, and if it does it is not organized, it is more likely your neighbour's teenage kid breaking in because his is an idiot. So thinking that everybody else in here is just as nice as you is mistake #1.
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redshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Central Ontario
Thanks Avenida! It looks like I'm not paranoid enough. 
Ok that's not true...but thanks for the reminder of how things are else were. Don't forget brothers they do learn from each other.
Ok that's not true...but thanks for the reminder of how things are else were. Don't forget brothers they do learn from each other.
You guys can't joke all day long. It is in fact is quite safe to share your serial number, your gun might not get transferred incorrectly, but...
Here is hypothetical situation:
Now, how about your gun Serial Number being registered for 6A permit to bring guns into the states. Then, that same pistol gets lost/stolen/destroyed, later on used for a robbery....How?
Have you ever submitted a 6A form? It is simple as pie.
The only numbers they need to issue the 6A is the serial, model and make and registry#. They do not check these numbers against anything except when you are crossing the border with the gun and the documentation...
If you are going to fake documentation and falsify a serial number then doing it might not be that impossible, log into this website and look for a gun like the one 'you' are trying to smuggle and you have already have 3 things that EXIST and ARE CORRECT: the make, the model and the serial number, only fake thing at this point would be the registry and your name...
All this happening might seem impossible, but why making it any easier?
I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. It is a no brainer: protect your property and your identity specially when it comes to something like this, it takes 10 seconds to tape it out. Why not?
In regards to the license plates, I think the whole license plate system has been proven to have it flaws. Here in Ontario we can guess the owner's birthday just by looking at the sticker! lol
Criminal minds at work can figure ways to use this information! Which is why they are criminals are you are not.
Here is hypothetical situation:
Now, how about your gun Serial Number being registered for 6A permit to bring guns into the states. Then, that same pistol gets lost/stolen/destroyed, later on used for a robbery....How?
Have you ever submitted a 6A form? It is simple as pie.
The only numbers they need to issue the 6A is the serial, model and make and registry#. They do not check these numbers against anything except when you are crossing the border with the gun and the documentation...
If you are going to fake documentation and falsify a serial number then doing it might not be that impossible, log into this website and look for a gun like the one 'you' are trying to smuggle and you have already have 3 things that EXIST and ARE CORRECT: the make, the model and the serial number, only fake thing at this point would be the registry and your name...
All this happening might seem impossible, but why making it any easier?
I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. It is a no brainer: protect your property and your identity specially when it comes to something like this, it takes 10 seconds to tape it out. Why not?
In regards to the license plates, I think the whole license plate system has been proven to have it flaws. Here in Ontario we can guess the owner's birthday just by looking at the sticker! lol
Criminal minds at work can figure ways to use this information! Which is why they are criminals are you are not.
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I assume you are referring to a U.S ATF form 6?
You really think you can cross the border without the border service folks not verifying the firearm? Even crossing to hunt pheasants requires all your paperwork. And its checked at the border.
This gun serial thing is all hype, little substance. If someone knows of a single case where a firearm used in an offence had the serial of a legit gun on it please post away. I would be interested to read this and share this information.
But by all means block the number if it makes you feel secure. But these theories have little traction in reality.
