50 Bw mags things are getting stupid

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This is confusing as hell for me.

I agree with what CTCS is saying, it is legal until we have written from CFC about the .50 Beo Mag.

My opinion on this is that it is legal to sell now, but if you ask for approval from CFC, you won't get one.

Regardless, I am not taking the chance on this with my company.
 
30 round 223 PMAGs are pinned to 5 are they not and legal.
they are legal but the problem here is when someone decides to call that same mag a Beowulf 50 caliber mag and pins it to fit 5 of the larger rounds instead increasing the capacity to skirt our capacity laws.

Remington makes a STANAG pattern mag for the AR 15 in .450 Bushmaster caliber, yet they made a proprietary magazine for it so it is not on the chopping block like the 50 Beo and 458 SOCOM mags which are identical to 556/223 mags
 
BBB is valid, OEM Beowulf mags only comes in capacity of 4 and the mag bodies are manufactured to that length, for any company start importing and selling Beowulf mags that is crimped, pinned or block to 5 rounds or even worse 5.5 rounds, is like playing with fire with people's lives.

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
i should know
i own a bunch of them
they are pinned to 5
yes pinned, see the little pin in the picture
5 and room leftover
these original Alexander Arms beowulf mag are 10 round capacity pinned to 5, same size as a full size 30 round pmag
Why dont you stop complaining and go buy some and shoot bro!
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Regarding the legality of using AA mags - I don't think it's an issue if you're shooting 50 Beo from the mag, it becomes an issue when you stuff a nearly identical to 223 mag pinned to 5x 50 Beo cartridges full of 223.
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

Some of you hanging it all out there on the RCMP's interpretation of law put in a bulletin may be in for a rude awakening one day....

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

What makes you think someone, somewhere along the path won't deem all AR magazine origins to be .223/5.56?

Food for thought (or gas on the fire) - whichever you prefer ;)
 
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Like I said around page 3... Why hasent anyone went to some random chinese company and got a ton of 5 round .50 beo metal mags made? No pin. No crimp. Specifically "designed" for 50 beo.
 
Like I said around page 3... Why hasent anyone went to some random chinese company and got a ton of 5 round .50 beo metal mags made? No pin. No crimp. Specifically "designed" for 50 beo.
because

Being the dealer with Alexander Arms, we were originally going to manufacturer the polymer version of the .50 Beowulf mags in Korea completely with a new mold 2 years ago. We have one currently sitting with RCMP for inspection, however, numerous email with RCMP did mentioned that they will not likely going to approve any .50 Beowulf magazine.

Here is a portion of the communication I have with RCMP

"Across the spectrum of numerous inspections, RCMP-SFSS has not seen a single 50 Beowulf magazine or a single 458 Socom Calibre magazine for the AR-15 platform that is not prohibited. This is because the magazine designs we have seen have been adapted from the AR-15/M16 5.56 x 45 mm design to accommodate the 458 Socom & 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge but have never lost the 5.56 mm design features.

I am not here to argue, I am here to tell people what SFSS told me.

It really doesn't make any sense to me either, but a lot of stuffs in life doesn't make any sense as well.
 
That's fine, magazines don't need approval. And it wouldn't be a pinned or repurposed mag like is in question now.

Based on the logic being applied there can never be a 5 round magazine for any larger calibre? No that's dumb.
 
That's fine, magazines don't need approval. And it wouldn't be a pinned or repurposed mag like is in question now.

Based on the logic being applied there can never be a 5 round magazine for any larger calibre? No that's dumb.
You seem to forget about the 450 bushmaster, It is not mentioned by the RCMP-SFSS because it is a true proprietary design yet it still works with a AR15 lower
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

Some of you hanging it all out there on the RCMP's interpretation of law put in a bulletin may be in for a rude awakening one day....

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

What makes you think someone, somewhere along the path won't deem all AR magazine origins to be .223/5.56?

Food for thought (or gas on the fire) - whichever you prefer ;)

The RCMP firearms lab has already made this conclusion. But like I said earlier, I doubt they really want to push the issue. The collateral damage to the Firearm laws in this country would be enough to force a major re-write of the Criminal Code. That'd be quite a gamble for all parties.
 
That's fine, magazines don't need approval.

Throughout the reading of this whole thread my brain kept asking me "why would anyone send a magazine to the RCMP for approval?". It was news to me. I'm a relative newbie and fully acknowledge at all times that I could be wrong, but as far as I know as long as a mag doesn't fit the criteria for being a prohibited device, it's an entirely uncontrolled device. You may as well send your washer and dryer in to the RCMP for approval.

A mag is either legal or it isn't, there is no approval process that I'm aware of.
 
Throughout the reading of this whole thread my brain kept asking me "why would anyone send a magazine to the RCMP for approval?". It was news to me. I'm a relative newbie and fully acknowledge at all times that I could be wrong, but as far as I know as long as a mag doesn't fit the criteria for being a prohibited device, it's an entirely uncontrolled device. You may as well send your washer and dryer in to the RCMP for approval.

A mag is either legal or it isn't, there is no approval process that I'm aware of.

Exactly. The problem is its businesses that basically want a green light from the RCMP to say it's fine. In them going over and above they are getting an answer they don't want to hear.

Does it follow the rules? Yes? Legal.
 
A magazine is not just a mag body. A magazine is a mag body plus a spring plus a follower plus a floorplate plus engravings/markings etc. If a court will be satisfied that a magazine (not just a mag body) was designed or manufactured for use in a .50 calibre rifle, then the magazine may hold five .50 calibre cartridges. Whether a magazine was designed or manufactured for use in a .50 calibre rifle is a question of fact. A court will require evidence on the point. The manufacturer or person possessing the magazine will have to prove it, or rather, more accurately, the Crown will have to prove that it is NOT. In the case of these magazines, can the manufacturer prove the magazines were designed or manufactured to hold .50 calibre?

Not anymore. See R. v. Cancade. This is why seeking firearms law reform via Canada's far-left, anti-gun courts finally became damn near hopeless and political reform became the focus. Alas, not much improvement has been achieved give the dog's breakfast that is C-42 and the disdain with which the Harper government is treating us gun owners.
 
Yes there is no law says a magzine needs an classification,
But Most here fear a punishment thru process(not me, I just bought tons of c-product), or dealers don't want to get into trouble with the rcmp etc,
When too many people fear one group of unelected bureaucrats, then these bureaucrats have too much power.
Simple choices here really apart from talking about it to death.
Stand your ground, buy more, more owners more pressure on the rcmp to do nothing.
Or do nothing wait and see, hand them in when the RCMP asks. Your chioce.
 
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NEA arms produces AR types lowers for as low as $70 some times. Can they not a run a batch for 50 Beuwulf Pistols and we can be done with this non sense for once and forever. 100 people buy those lower receivers and to make it widely available.

Does that work?
 
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