300 RUM & 416 rigby, Another which cartridge thread

Im not an advocate of the 300 RUM. sticking a lot of gas in the tank and for what? Your 3006 or 300 win mag can do the same job with less powder, me being the purest, I prefer the 300H&H sleek ###y and fast, as for a 416 well that's one hell of a wallop on both the shoulder and pocket book. Ardent is a huge fan of the 375H&H, for me the recoil on the 375 is brutal and have had the opportunity to have fired several dozen over the years. My experience with the 416 is limited to two doubles and a Churchill, the 375 had a bark, the 416 had a hell of a shove, so my heart is near and dear to the 404 Jeffy, the best of both worlds, more of a big shove than a snap or a push. Guess it all depends on what you want to do and on what critter enjoy and good shooting
 
Ardent said:
There are decent .375s available under a grand...Ruger RSM under $2,000 and sometimes down to $1,500....
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If you know of any in Canada for this price please don't keep it a secret. I have only found one (in 375) on Gunbroker for 1800. The others are all 416 and larger and I don't want to go down that road...again.

As for the OP, I have never hunted either bison or moose so I cannot say. Probably just hit it in the right spot with a .22lr ;)

*Should have clarified....RSMs for <2k
 
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JHC-II said:
Im not an advocate of the 300 RUM. sticking a lot of gas in the tank and for what? Your 3006 or 300 win mag can do the same job with less powder, me being the purest, I prefer the 300H&H sleek ###y and fast, as for a 416 well that's one hell of a wallop on both the shoulder and pocket book. Ardent is a huge fan of the 375H&H, for me the recoil on the 375 is brutal and have had the opportunity to have fired several dozen over the years. My experience with the 416 is limited to two doubles and a Churchill, the 375 had a bark, the 416 had a hell of a shove, so my heart is near and dear to the 404 Jeffy, the best of both worlds, more of a big shove than a snap or a push. Guess it all depends on what you want to do and on what critter enjoy and good shooting
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Nobody can deny the class of a .404 Jeffery and .300 H&H battery, hard to find something you're unsuited to hunting with that pair as well.
 
elker said:
416 rigby will be my next buy. It is a step up from my 366 Wagner. I will use matrix bullets. My question is, should I buy a new cz,then have it bedded by a gunsmith, or buy a used one which has everything done before.
I am afraid the recoil will be big, so no plan to scope it.
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Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You don't see too many of them on the EE but they show up from time to time. Nothing wrong with buying new either.

Don't get nervous about scoping it. I only got grazed by the scope once and that was because I didn't have it pulled in tight and I crawled the stock. Didn't draw blood, just scraped off a bit of easily replaced hide. Mine wears a 1.5-5x Leupold which is just about perfect, IMO. Factory 400/410gr ballistics mimic the 30-06/180gr in terms of trajectory and I wouldn't hesitate to use that scope on the '06. Used ones can be had for a song.
 
MDR said:
If you know of any in Canada for this price please don't keep it a secret. I have only found one (in 375) on Gunbroker for 1800. The others are all 416 and larger and I don't want to go down that road...again.

As for the OP, I have never hunted either bison or moose so I cannot say. Probably just hit it in the right spot with a .22lr ;)
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Take a look at prophet River firearms Website. Sako, cz, ruger and others in the medium bore.
 
Had a 416 Rigby for awhile, one day at the range I decided it just kicked too much.

Have a 416 Rem Mag now.

Went for a drive to town with the old man and stopped at Cabela's.

Somehow walked out with 3 boxes of 416 Rigby ammo as it was on clearance?

Sometimes I think my parents were right when they said something was wrong with me!

The hunt for a rifle begins. :)
 
MDR said:
If you know of any in Canada for this price please don't keep it a secret. I have only found one (in 375) on Gunbroker for 1800. The others are all 416 and larger and I don't want to go down that road...again.

As for the OP, I have never hunted either bison or moose so I cannot say. Probably just hit it in the right spot with a .22lr ;)
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Trade ex zastava 375 hh less than $900 new I believe the last time I checked
 
Ardent said:
You might be surprised by BigUglyMan's lack of inexperience, he won't bother telling you himself so I'll do it on his behalf. Amongst other things he's hunted dangerous game in Africa, he's hunted the Wood Bison you seek to chase, and he owns a .416 Rigby. He's not trying to be mean, just pragmatic and frank.
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and Cupar1 He didnt even try to sell you the 9.3x62 ... how that BUMan can be so good ...
 
elker said:
416 rigby will be my next buy. It is a step up from my 366 Wagner. I will use matrix bullets. My question is, should I buy a new cz,then have it bedded by a gunsmith, or buy a used one which has everything done before.
I am afraid the recoil will be big, so no plan to scope it.
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Its unlikely that a used .416 Rigby would be shot out, so if some savings could be realized, used might be an attractive option. The downside is that if you're purchasing the rifle on line, sight unseen, you have no way of knowing if the bedding was done correctly, better, IMHO to just assume you'll have to bed it, then consider if the asking price is still attractive.

With respect to the subject of sights and optics, you can choose to mount the scope well forward. I had custom quarter ribs made for both my Ruger #1 .416 and my Brno 602 .375 Ultra. The quarter rib on the #1 put the ocular of the 1.5-5X in line with the forward edge of the falling block, thus nothing interfered with loading/unloading, and regardless of the position I fired from, there was no chance of a cut. The Brno's quarter rib allowed the mounting of first a Burris, then later a Leupold Scout Scope. Both were QD Talley's and both could be quickly removed if I wanted to use the irons. If you mount the scope conventionally, fixed power glass has a shorter eyepiece, which is easier to attaining the optimum eye relief than a variable.

I did get cut with the 1-4X Nightforce on my M-70 .458, but I liked the mount and didn't want to swap it out. But when I shot quickly one day, without taking the rearward placed ocular into consideration, the inevitable happened. After that I shot the rifle with irons for a year, then mounted the scope again on a pic rail, to position it far enough forward so as not to be a problem again.

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The difference appears subtle in the photos, but a half inch makes the difference.
 
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Dogleg said:
Make it out of .338 or .300 Win with a small charge of pistol powder and a case full of cream of wheat and a soap or wax plug. With the .338 its pop and eject a .458 case and with the .300 its pop and trim to a .458 Length.

Now all you need is a secret supply of pistol powder.
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300 win brass are too precious im using them for the 375 ruger .... but 338 win mag brass for the 458 as i dont have any 338 is a very good idea ... no where i can found some pistol powder ....
 
I shot 10rnds out of my 416 rigby. In one outing I might add. Felt like I had been run over and left for dead. Those were 400gn projectiles. I have 245gn bullets now and a break installed haven't tried it yet Should be a lot nicer. About 3000 fps with 245gn.
 
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