Dieamaco stripped lowers
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Sometimes this site makes me want to vomit in disgust. Site sponsors advertise a product in limited supply. CGN members buy more than they need, running said item out of stock. They then turn around and sell on the EE for an inflated price. Those of us who missed out on initial sale get screwed out of an extra pile of money if we want to play. Congrats people, nothing like screwing over other enthusiasts to gain a profit that might what, fill up the gas tank of your vehicle?.
Oh well, one is not really getting the full CGN experience until you're being cornholed in the EE by profiteers.
That would be a good idea, before they become last weeks cool. These things go in flavour of the month type of rushes. Besides it can serve as a warning to others on the EE as it gets 8 BTT and no takers.That way those actually wanting to sell will realize there is a price limit. It's a win/win. You get to have your Yuppi garage sale, where nothing is actually for sale, you just want to show everyone all the cool crap you have. While also serving as commerce warning for the others!
You wanna drink this weeks/month or years flavour of kool-aid, your gonna have to pony up the $$$ to ride the cool wagon. Plain & simple.
I'll agree with the sentiment that there are those who purchase soley to make an inflated profit. The EE is what it is at times. It's been discussed ad-nausea a few doz times and no doubt a few doz more in the future.
I had hoped CC would've considered offering new Cal variants in some of their existing platforms (x39 or .300Blk) but I guess it's not to be. Personally I think CC is/will be limiting themselves sales/brand loyalty in the future. When everyone else offers different or popular configurations in multiple Cals, it'll be hard to soley rest on the CC name-sake for long.. Hopefully they've taken note of Colt Mfg demise (resting soley on Mil sales and configs) and are at least considering alternatives for the future.
Until such a time, I'll drink some of the alternative flavours of Kool-Aid avail...
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CC is not in the business of catering their production line to civilian interests. That is not their companies objective or mandate.
They sell to military, Government and police end users. That is their primary reason to exist.
We get surplus of what is made for those target audiences. The sa20 and sa15.7 were a special limited run for the public. Not a future trend setting initiative.
If you want x39 or 300 black out or some other custom stuff that is outside military specs or contracts, Colt Canada is not where you should be looking. It isn't their game.
When you look at what the Canadian public market accounts for in their overall sales, we are peanuts. 1000 sa20 and sa15.7 guns have yet to sell out after being on the market for a year. The Danes bought well over 3 times that many guns in one single order. And that is only one nation. Add on the rest of their military and police clients, and you'll see that really, we are a small market.
You don't run a successful business catering to your smallest market share. Colt Canada ran successfully for years without offering public sales.
They sell to military, Government and police end users. That is their primary reason to exist.
We get surplus of what is made for those target audiences. The sa20 and sa15.7 were a special limited run for the public. Not a future trend setting initiative.
If you want x39 or 300 black out or some other custom stuff that is outside military specs or contracts, Colt Canada is not where you should be looking. It isn't their game.
When you look at what the Canadian public market accounts for in their overall sales, we are peanuts. 1000 sa20 and sa15.7 guns have yet to sell out after being on the market for a year. The Danes bought well over 3 times that many guns in one single order. And that is only one nation. Add on the rest of their military and police clients, and you'll see that really, we are a small market.
You don't run a successful business catering to your smallest market share. Colt Canada ran successfully for years without offering public sales.
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Look I'm not trying to pick or goad you into an online debate here, I merely suggested what I and others are no doubt hoping for.
Yes CC has had a successful run in the LE/Mil sales both local and international for years, no doubts there. It's just a shame they don't recognise beyond these small limited over-runs the Civie market. That's all I was attempting to say...
Yes CC has had a successful run in the LE/Mil sales both local and international for years, no doubts there. It's just a shame they don't recognise beyond these small limited over-runs the Civie market. That's all I was attempting to say...
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I wasn't looking to debate either. CC has said as much and they don't look to do anything out side of military work. I think everyone believes they are this huge machine of industry that has a huge appetite. They aren't. Given their size, the military and police contracts are more than enough to keep them financially viable and profitable.
We, as a market, just don't have much to offer them. Requests for one off stuff just doesn't suit their setup.
We, as a market, just don't have much to offer them. Requests for one off stuff just doesn't suit their setup.
mileageman
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I don't have my lowers yet, but realistically I won't get around to building them until this winter at the earliest. I have too much going on with house renos & a transfer at work. Mine will be a CC IUR (that I bought when they first came out) with the CC lower.
They still do have a successful run in military/police sales. RCMP just got on board on top of many other police forces, the Canadian military, a few other nations military and special forces. The IUR has kept them in the running.
I disagree with your posts theory that not catering to the tiny and frankly high maintenance Canadian public (remember they can't sell to the US public) will somehow hurt their reputation. The exact opposite has played out in real life. HK for example. People want the professional gear and it's unavailability or price often create exclusivity along with pride of ownership. This thread is a prime example. They can't sell in mass to the public so high volume civilian sales isn't a business reality.
I consider us lucky to get what they have released. I phoned them about 7 years ago asking for civi sales. Today we have some. Most don't want 300 black out etc. Or the rare guy who will want and ask for something obscure (read any new AR thread. You knew the guy. He wants 70-08, 243, 6BR etc.) Their reputation is built on their military/police sales. Much like how HK became famous.
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These lowers are very much greyer than the sa15 and sa20 guns as has been mentioned elsewhere. If you "paint" the lower with gun oil and let it soak it, it helps match up the color very well.
Seemed like the right lower to use... The barrel is Devtec marked after all.
Just needs a trigger group.
Nice! Was that the upper IRG had in?
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It was. I bought just the upper and a Colt BCG to go with it. Not the original BCG designed for open bolt firing, but at least it is a Colt BCG to match.
The barrel is thick. Makes the regular heavy profile barrel look like a pencil profile barrel. And it is a cold hammer forged Diemaco barrel. Pretty accurate off the bipod.
Fenceline,
The original open bolt would be nice for the "originality" factor but useless for all our purposes.
I'm jealous, I want one just because it would look cool in the collection. Looks like Rebel Rouser is putting one together as well.
What's the ballpark weight all together?
The original open bolt would be nice for the "originality" factor but useless for all our purposes.
I'm jealous, I want one just because it would look cool in the collection. Looks like Rebel Rouser is putting one together as well.
What's the ballpark weight all together?
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The open bolt carrier group would simply function as a closed bolt carrier group with a semi auto lower. Would be cooler, but not essential.
Rebel Rouser has one of the 950 series uppers built for the USMC for trials. The USMC didn't go through with it and apparently the uppers and some complete guns were sold off. Mine is a 750 series upper. Mine is essentially an a2 upper, where the 950 is railed, with a different bipod setup and a triad. The LSW is the third version, which has the same barrel and bipod as the 750, and a railed receiver with fwd assist which the 750 and 950 are slick side uppers.
It is pretty heavy for an AR. I haven't weighed it yet. The official specs is with bipod, it weighs about a pound more than a standard M16. Wikipedia says 5.78 kg. So 12.7 lbs.
Colt Model 750 "M16a2" LMG
Colt Defense Model 950 "Colt Automatic Rifle"
Colt Canada LSW / Dutch LOAWNLD
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8ball...
There is an unfired upper on GB for $2800. It is a ridiculous price but it is complete with the proper open BCG for nostalgia. I've seen a couple uppers complete from $1000 to $1500 but they generally don't have a BCG. They aren't too common, but there are fakes to watch out for. If you could get the hydraulic buffer that they came with, that would also rock.
I'd love to build a LSW clone just to scope it. I have a A1/A2 rail mount for a red dot or scope but a proper rail upper would be better.
There is an unfired upper on GB for $2800. It is a ridiculous price but it is complete with the proper open BCG for nostalgia. I've seen a couple uppers complete from $1000 to $1500 but they generally don't have a BCG. They aren't too common, but there are fakes to watch out for. If you could get the hydraulic buffer that they came with, that would also rock.
I'd love to build a LSW clone just to scope it. I have a A1/A2 rail mount for a red dot or scope but a proper rail upper would be better.
