Ranger rifle for civilians

Unlike some of you, I've always been a fan of T3's and have grown to appreciate the utility of polymer for real world outdoor applications. I won't be giving up my T3's anytime soon, but I also won't pass up a civi version of the Ranger rifle if it were available. I might just build my own using a base Battue lite with a top rail and keep the more practical 5-round polymer mags. :)
 
I wonder who else participated in Canadian Rangers rifle tryouts? I think it was Steyr scout may be CZ ,Ruger but from all of this they choose Tikka CTR I think there is a reason for this I know all tikkas shoot great (I have 3 :)) But my CTR showed me some exceptional results, with out costly trips to gunsmith out of the box the only thing I did is placing it in MDT LSS chassis.
 
I was led to believe that part of the Ranger Rifle deal was that it was to be manufactured in Canada.
This caused other rifles to be dropped from consideration.
If this is true it is possible that the other rifles did not lose out to a better rifle.
The T3 is a fantastic rifle, but on modern day equipment most companies rifles would be able to meet The Rangers needs.
When you look at what needed to be done to change an existing platform to tick all the boxes It was not a difficult modification.
The initial expense is for Colt Canada to tool up to build a rifle and probably pay royalty on them.
 
Civilians who are free to purchase the rifle that best suits their purposes have a great advantage over those in the armed services who are required to carry an issue rifle. The new Canadian Ranger rifle is thought to be pretty good, and certainly has some features that are desirable, but I have yet to see one, much less use one. One concern I have is towards the plunger ejector if in fact that feature is retrained in the Ranger rifle. A fixed ejector, as found on the Muaser 98 and it's copies, is is more reliable than a plunger ejector, that when exposed to salt water can freeze in it's recess, and furthermore, the rifleman determines the force by which the empty brass is ejected from the action. This is an appropriate concern when a rifle is dirty, or when used in wet and/or cold conditions.

The Picatinny rail is a nice touch, and I expect that may Ranger rifles will be scoped between exercises; I also expect that more than a few of the peep sights will be misplaced and lost. To my way of thinking, a rail provides the most versatility to mounting any sort of optic, and is particularly useful when attempting to acquire the appropriate eye relief with variable scopes having very long ocular lens housings.

The Ruger Gunsite Scout is a rifle that also has desirable features, to the extent that it might prove to be superior for the intended purpose, only time will tell. I have two concerns regarding the Ruger rifle, the first is that I don't like the feel of the stock, and the cost of upgrading to an aftermarket stock is significant. Secondly, there are questions concerning the resiliency of the Ruger magazines, but neither of these concerns is insurmountable, if the individual who chooses one of these rifles is prepared to make the investment in upgrades. Although the cost of these upgrades might well push the rifle into the cost of a custom rifle, it would fill the requirements of a light weight .308 carbine having both the accuracy, and reliability that is appropriate for a rifle that would see tough duty. If I were to start with a Ruger action, I might prefer a hinged floorplate magazine using aftermarket bottom metal, I might want to have the receiver milled to accept stripper clips, I might prefer to choose a custom barrel, and I might prefer to choose a high quality fiberglass stock over laminated wood. But instead of a thousand dollar rifle, mine could easily run 2X to 3X as much, but would still be less than half the issue cost of the Canadian Ranger rifle.
 
The first 125 rifles will cost $1.5 million....or $12,000 per.
http://www.netnewsledger.com/2015/06/23/canadian-rangers-have-new-rifle/

The rest will be $4000 per (estimate by the GOV).
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/thunder-bay/canadian-rangers-test-new-top-tier-weapon-1.3143122

That's the only numbers I could find....

From Wikipedia:

Associate Minister of National Defence Julian Fantino, announced that the DND planned to buy 6,820 rifles.[4][5][6] Including development costs, spare parts, two million rounds of ammunition, the rifles are expected to cost $28 million CAD. The rifles are constructed of stainless steel. The rifles have been tested to see see if they would fire properly, and remain accurate, at temperatures as low as −51 °C (−60 °F). They are expected to be able to stop all Arctic predators, specifically including Polar bears. They will have extra large trigger guards, so they can be fired by rangers, without requiring them to remove their gloves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Rangers

If my calculator is functioning correctly, that's $4105.57 each, but still not really a fair costing because it incorporates development costs that would have been incurred by any major military weapons replacement (always nice to avoid another Ross's Rifle disaster) and also the spare parts and the 2,000,000 rounds of ammunition as stated. I don't know, but it probably also includes the machinery and tooling up costs to manufacture the rifles here in Canada. And more to the point of this thread, if sold to civilians the rifles will not necessarily cost more than a slight premium charge over a similar production model Sako.
 
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Wiki... The source for solid info lol.
Anyway, if they ever get sold to civvies, you can just look at the Colt Canada rifles as an example of what we can expect to pay. GOV pays $700 per C7, we pay $2,000. Colt, Korth, and the retailer need to make $$$ too....
 
Wiki... The source for solid info lol.
Anyway, if they ever get sold to civvies, you can just look at the Colt Canada rifles as an example of what we can expect to pay. GOV pays $700 per C7, we pay $2,000. Colt, Korth, and the retailer need to make $$$ too....

Colt would likely need another licensing agreement from Sako to produce Tikka rifles for civilian sale which will also add to the cost considerably
 
The Ruger Gunsite rifle would be okay, but the length/capacity of that magazine is completely unacceptable. A hundred years ago the Lee Enfield had a 10-round double-stack magazine that didn't extend beneath the trigger guard. Why the hell can't any other manufacturer do the same thing? That 10 rounder looks as long as a FAL or M14 twenty-rounder! At least the new Tikka rifles have a proper 10-round magazine.
 
Civilians who are free to purchase the rifle that best suits their purposes have a great advantage over those in the armed services who are required to carry an issue rifle. The new Canadian Ranger rifle is thought to be pretty good, and certainly has some features that are desirable, but I have yet to see one, much less use one. One concern I have is towards the plunger ejector if in fact that feature is retrained in the Ranger rifle. A fixed ejector, as found on the Muaser 98 and it's copies, is is more reliable than a plunger ejector, that when exposed to salt water can freeze in it's recess, and furthermore, the rifleman determines the force by which the empty brass is ejected from the action. This is an appropriate concern when a rifle is dirty, or when used in wet and/or cold conditions.

The Picatinny rail is a nice touch, and I expect that may Ranger rifles will be scoped between exercises; I also expect that more than a few of the peep sights will be misplaced and lost. To my way of thinking, a rail provides the most versatility to mounting any sort of optic, and is particularly useful when attempting to acquire the appropriate eye relief with variable scopes having very long ocular lens housings.

The Ruger Gunsite Scout is a rifle that also has desirable features, to the extent that it might prove to be superior for the intended purpose, only time will tell. I have two concerns regarding the Ruger rifle, the first is that I don't like the feel of the stock, and the cost of upgrading to an aftermarket stock is significant. Secondly, there are questions concerning the resiliency of the Ruger magazines, but neither of these concerns is insurmountable, if the individual who chooses one of these rifles is prepared to make the investment in upgrades. Although the cost of these upgrades might well push the rifle into the cost of a custom rifle, it would fill the requirements of a light weight .308 carbine having both the accuracy, and reliability that is appropriate for a rifle that would see tough duty. If I were to start with a Ruger action, I might prefer a hinged floorplate magazine using aftermarket bottom metal, I might want to have the receiver milled to accept stripper clips, I might prefer to choose a custom barrel, and I might prefer to choose a high quality fiberglass stock over laminated wood. But instead of a thousand dollar rifle, mine could easily run 2X to 3X as much, but would still be less than half the issue cost of the Canadian Ranger rifle.

Mike,

the 3 guys i know of evaluated the Tikka and the Ruger never heard of any other firearms in the last round. none of them liked the tikka and the guys from Ottawa were not happy with those feedbacks.

i know at least two of them are no longer ranger after the decision taken on the firearm, there is may be something else.

on the ruger it is really a shame that the production or partial production has to be made here. anyway the actions and barrels will not be made here nor the stock ...

as you said time will tell but i want to see a tikka after a run in a sled, a boat will it be salt or even fresh water.
 
I wouldn't doubt that someone in their infinite wisdom wrote a service paper that suggested that because the CR rifle is a military pattern weapon, it should remain out of the hands of the Canadian public and that it is actually being serioulsy considered at the ADM level as we speak...
 
For those interested in picking up a CTR, have a look here: http://www.prairieguntraders.ca/New_Centerfire.php at $1049 + shipping of course.
I agree with Boomer about the lack of a fixed ejector being a potential problem in a service rifle. What irritates me the most about the CTR (I now own one)
is the cost of a spare magazine at about $300 b: It would also be nice if Tikka provided a flush mount magazine as an option - I could live with a 4 to 5 round mag.
 
Save yourself the trouble/wait and just get yourself a Black Bear in .308, no mine isn't for sale anytime soon ;)
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But it's not milspec. That means it's not good enough.
 
Mike,

the 3 guys i know of evaluated the Tikka and the Ruger never heard of any other firearms in the last round. none of them liked the tikka and the guys from Ottawa were not happy with those feedbacks.

i know at least two of them are no longer ranger after the decision taken on the firearm, there is may be something else.

on the ruger it is really a shame that the production or partial production has to be made here. anyway the actions and barrels will not be made here nor the stock ...

as you said time will tell but i want to see a tikka after a run in a sled, a boat will it be salt or even fresh water.

Could sour grapes have been a factor, there?

If your buddies recommended against the rifle, and it was adopted anyway, maybe they left feeling butthurt.

I know if I was reviewing evaluations, and there was a bunch of complaints about something which is already settled, I'd tend to ignore those evaluations.

Say, the rifle being a push feed instead of CRF, when push feed had already been evaluated as acceptable for the specification.

If Herbert has a hard on for CRF, he's likely to be unfairly picky about other things, to suit his prejudice.
 
I would concur with the statement above.

Leaving the Ranger program over a firearm decision is ridiculous. The rifle is not the sum of the Ranger program. I would join again if I could in a second if there were no issued firearms and ammunition.
 
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