12 guage rubber bullets
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I don't think they would be a bad idea for home defence if you would be the type of person who would rather seriously injure someone and scare the crap out of them as opposed to killing them if they were to break into your home.
No offense my friend... But that is a really stupid idea. I'd also check the hunting regs in your neck of the woods to be sure it's even legal to discharge a rubber round at a bear without a C.O.'s badge on. Even then, really bad idea.
nowarningshot
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^^^I have to agree, something more effective would be the screeching woman trying to scare the kayak eating bear away. If a bear is a big enough problem to consider this, it probably needs a ride in the box of a P/U. For daughters idiot boyfriends, probably a rubber band and a razor blade would work better.
Punisher-One
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That's a negative ghost-rider.
I've got both less lethal rubber 00-buck and slug for testing. I've shot a few things at the range with both.
And what does that have to do with using them against a person? I was merely stating to the person I quoted that he be charged no different if he used live or less lethal against a criminal in home defense. Nothing about using them at ranges or owning so NEXT....
Punisher-One
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That was a separate point to my "negative ghost rider" to your assertion that you would be charged the same.
You would most certainly not be charged the same. The most likely outcome of a real slug or real 00-buck on someone is death. There is a low expectation of survivability from any shotgun round at close range. The rubber slugs or 00-buck would be "less lethal" and most likely NOT inflict a lethal injury. Thus you could avoid the homicide investigation AND you could show you were not intending to kill by purposely using less lethal ammunition.
Still be charged for unsafe storage, discharging a fire....., etc etc etc list goes on and on and on... BUT it was less lethal. How many people in Canada won home defense charges with a firearm and never went poor fighting legal battles? Also go after you if your qualified to use less lethal and try and get you for criminal.
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I have some "bear protection rubber slugs" and they are a joke. I was ready for a slug but all I got was the equivalent of a fast pitch.
It might amuse a bear, but it sure wouldn't scare it. It really seems like about the equivalent of a .22 size load shooting a 12g slug.
It might amuse a bear, but it sure wouldn't scare it. It really seems like about the equivalent of a .22 size load shooting a 12g slug.
Punisher-One
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Unsafe storage? How so? I keep my non-restricted in a safe but my non-restricted firearm is not legally required to be inside a safe. It only take a second to remove a number coded trigger lock while your wife/kid/significant other dials the Police and gets them on the way. As for your assertion you'd be charged with discharging a firearm and "etc etc etc list goes on and on and on":
34. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;
(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and
(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
35. (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
(a) they either believe on reasonable grounds that they are in peaceable possession of property or are acting under the authority of, or lawfully assisting, a person whom they believe on reasonable grounds is in peaceable possession of property;
(b) they believe on reasonable grounds that another person
(i) is about to enter, is entering or has entered the property without being entitled by law to do so,
(ii) is about to take the property, is doing so or has just done so, or
(iii) is about to damage or destroy the property, or make it inoperative, or is doing so;
(c) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of
(i) preventing the other person from entering the property, or removing that person from the property, or
(ii) preventing the other person from taking, damaging or destroying the property or from making it inoperative, or retaking the property from that person; and
(d) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.
If you feel your life and the lives of your family are in danger and you choose to use a less than lethal rubber round to protect yourself and your family I'd say that could be considered reasonable under the circumstances.
I didn't know Ian Thompson went broke?
Qualified to what? Shoot a round from a firearm you are licensed to legally posses knowing that the round is less than lethal? Go after you for criminal what? You end your statement with "and get you for criminal". Criminal what?
