...and this wouldn't even count the people who just didn't bother sending in their registration when they found out the match was already sold out.
2016 Canadian IPSC Nationals
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...and this wouldn't even count the people who just didn't bother sending in their registration when they found out the match was already sold out.
True
I can check my list and see how many I received.
But at the end of the day there are some simple truths we have to deal with.
We don't have facilities that can handle more shooters than we are currently running at nationals.
It's hard enough to find one club in each geographic area (east, central, west) to take on this match. Finding two will be damn near impossible.
It takes a pile of work just to handle registrations, never mind the rest of the match, so unless people are willing to step up and help out its not going to go anywhere.
Discussing it here is pointless, in a month this will all be forgotten until next year when it happens again. Instead come up with a plan and give it to your SC to bring to the NEC/AGM and see if it gets traction.
For various reasons, which will take far too long to type out, I don't see any of this changing in the foreseeable future, so when next years registration opens be ready to download and submit the form ASAP when registration Opens.
And when you get a chance send JS an email thanking him for taking this on.
Absolutely....almost.
Last year we ran dedicated staff on all our stages and had very little problems. Because we ran the same staff we had zero arbitrations submitted.
But the math on running the match is bang on.
We ran less stages last year and even with rain delays were able to stay almost exactly on time and we didn't have to stay on the range until 6 or 7 pm. By doing it over 4 days it was much easier on the officials
And it's not how many stages but how many bays you have since if you have multiple stages on one bay you can run them concurrently.
If we want bigger matches then we need more officials and a better way of supporting them at a match like this.
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We also had an extra day of shooters shooting for the Nationals last year. This year it is 3 days and 1 day preshoot. That would cut numbers as well???
I am not saying that holding a Match is as easy as alot of these people are thinking it is. I know we have a lot of work to do when we hold just our Level 2's. Level 3's are a heck of alot more work. More organizing to get done and I am not sure how many of these guys actually hold matches or just go shoot. I know for myself I help will whatever I can at any Match I go to. I have also seen myself go help with ROing and whatever and not shoot the Match.
Thanks Jim, I know you are doing what is possible on your end and I am sure it is going to be a great Match. Thanks to your Club and to the people you have helping you with this. There are many many different jobs to be done that many people don't get when they don't hold this size of Match... Good Luck and Congrats on the Match filling up so fast.
I am not saying that holding a Match is as easy as alot of these people are thinking it is. I know we have a lot of work to do when we hold just our Level 2's. Level 3's are a heck of alot more work. More organizing to get done and I am not sure how many of these guys actually hold matches or just go shoot. I know for myself I help will whatever I can at any Match I go to. I have also seen myself go help with ROing and whatever and not shoot the Match.
Thanks Jim, I know you are doing what is possible on your end and I am sure it is going to be a great Match. Thanks to your Club and to the people you have helping you with this. There are many many different jobs to be done that many people don't get when they don't hold this size of Match... Good Luck and Congrats on the Match filling up so fast.
At some point, if we keep seeing increased numbers someone is going to have to suggest we investigate other ways of running this match, to allow for more people. While our facilities in Canada are limited, we do have access to a lot of people for CRO and RO positions, it's called the internet. There is no reason we can't bring in dedicated staff from outside the country, yes it would cost more, but depending on where they are from, it wouldn't be much more than using Canadians.
I seem to recall that there were limits on the starting and finishing times allowed for the club as well? I may be wrong. I'm getting old. I don't even remember last year's Nationals all that well. I also worked the match, which I would definitely consider doing again. Even working one of the long courses and the stage with all of the movers, we were able to stay on top of things. We also really appreciated the random RO's that would come help us out from time to time.
Just throwing out some random ideas, I suppose we could also look at the USPSA model and consider splitting the match...maybe Open/Production Standard/Classic/Revolver? Obviously, if the stages were to stay the same then people could not shoot both matches, and it would really detract from the banquet aspect, but you might be able to have longer matches without the time commitment from all competitors and you might have access to more officials as well.
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The only problem there is you still need the club for a longer period of time, most clubs might be willing to give up the ranges for a week, but not many would give it up for two weeks.
The only day we really had an issue with starting in was Sunday so we just chose to avoid that altogether and run wed-sat.
You can't directly compare last year to this year. It looks to me like AMA has more bays which changes to math. For last year this is how it worked: we could put 10 shooters through a bay per hour (two stages on most, three on a couple) we have 6 bays so that means each shift can run 60 shooters through, if we did a three shift match over three days that's 180 shooters. To get to 240 we had to run 4 shifts over 4 days to make it. if AMA has 8 bays they can run 80 shooters over three shifts/three days and get the same 240. An extra day will get you to 320. BUT there are a lot of other factors to consider. Last year we got the range officially on Sunday, we were fortunate that we could work on our dedicated IPSC bays on Sat. but the rest were still in operation. So we had Sunday, Monday to set up and trouble shoot all the stages so that officials could shoot on Tuesday. That's an extremely short schedule for a match of this size. And don't forget you still have to have at least one day to tear down before turning range back over to the club. So out of 9 days total we had 4 days shooting, 1 day officials shooting, two and half days of set up and a day of tear down. If I had gotten another day I would have used it for set up not shooting.
All the people that worked the match had to take a full week off work. This either cuts into their vacation time or, like some of us, our pay. It's a lot to ask for the staff to give up even more time than that.
Given the difficulty in finding clubs willing to take on the nationals at all we should be grateful we even have a match to shoot.
Definitely not ungrateful Pat, please don't think that, just looking for ways we could go bigger. Like I said, I shoot matches that are much bigger that pump a lot more people through in the same number of days. Baltic Storm being the biggest, stages wise, 40 stages in two days, 5.5hrs a day (half day) for 20 stages. Squads of 5 max, with most being 3-4 people. 780 rounds.
I don't doubt it but whole different dynamic over there. How big is the range? How many bays? Who is patching and resetting? Do you have to put in a work day? Do the officials do it? Serfs?
This is now starting to get upsetting. Why are the match organizers not returning emails or corresponding at all? I have sent 3 emails to the match md with no response, other than an automated response on Monday.
There are multiple people in my area that have no clue what is going on...are we in the match...are we wait listed?
For myself, my emt was cashed on the Wednesday, and I was given the wait list notification on the Thursday. Others in my area that registered before me haven't received any notification whatsoever, others have just had emt's cashed with no follow up email...
WTF is going on?
Why can't people be responded to?
Edited to add....it sucks having to do this on an open forum.....but what other recourse is there when the organizers won't respond to emails?
There are multiple people in my area that have no clue what is going on...are we in the match...are we wait listed?
For myself, my emt was cashed on the Wednesday, and I was given the wait list notification on the Thursday. Others in my area that registered before me haven't received any notification whatsoever, others have just had emt's cashed with no follow up email...
WTF is going on?
Why can't people be responded to?
Edited to add....it sucks having to do this on an open forum.....but what other recourse is there when the organizers won't respond to emails?
The MD has everyone's emails and if you have not received one stating you are on the wait list then you are good. Nobody will know their squads until June.
Wow Chris....congrats...didn't realize you were one of the match organizers otherwise I would have emailed you directly.
So my emt was cashed on the Wednesday....and I was given the wait list notification on Thursday.....can you please explain this to me? I really appreciate your help.
So my emt was cashed on the Wednesday....and I was given the wait list notification on Thursday.....can you please explain this to me? I really appreciate your help.
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Sorry not a match director and can't answer your question about the EMT. From speaking to people I know who are on the wait list it looks like it filled the first night after opening at 11pm our time. Everyone I spoke to who signed up hours after sign up have received waiting list notifications. All those I know who signed up right away and sent EMT right away did not receive a waiting list notification.
Over the years every time I reply to you with good intentions you seem to reply like I banged your woman or something. Lighten up.
I truly am in shock...I really thought by your response you had insider information and were one of the organizers
....so you aren't? Why would you respond the way you did?
Some things are obvious and I thought because you seemed anxious to know I would let you know what was already obvious.
Well Chris....all I want is for the organizers to respond to emails or frankly this thread....obviously you have no reason to respond other than to see you words posted all over the inter webs.....so carry on...as I surely know you will...can't fault you there....
So to resume this thread....
Can the actual organizers respond?
So to resume this thread....
Can the actual organizers respond?
