Another Which 1911? Thread

I own two. I've shot lots of 1911's, and I always enjoy the feel of my sams better. Better than colts, remingtons, sigs, sti's, a little more than kimbers, but not as much as baers. My sam's have required no tinkering, go bang every time, feel like custom fitted guns (because they are). My only complaint so far is the rail size on the thunderbolt.

I don't buy for the name. I got my first SAM because it was cheap, and I wanted to give it a try. Couldn't help but pony up a little extra cash for another.

Hey man, I'll take your word on it. Last thing I want is an Internet battle of the wills :) ... But you are the exception to the rule! My close friend had a SAM stainless steel commander in 9mm... What a piece of junk! Nothing but problems. Are you sure you have shot an STI? I've fired only two (one my ol Trojan)... But both of them where incredible. I am not an amazing shot... I'm okay for sure... But nothing special. I could consistently hit a beer bottle cap at 20 yards with the Trojan in 45acp. Couldn't hit it to save my life with my CZ shadow... Just for comparison.

Actually! This is the question! Have you handled all those makes you mentioned? Or fired them?

Cheers!
 
Hey man, I'll take your word on it. Last thing I want is an Internet battle of the wills :) ... But you are the exception to the rule! My close friend had a SAM stainless steel commander in 9mm... What a piece of junk! Nothing but problems. Are you sure you have shot an STI? I've fired only two (one my ol Trojan)... But both of them where incredible. I am not an amazing shot... I'm okay for sure... But nothing special. I could consistently hit a beer bottle cap at 20 yards with the Trojan in 45acp. Couldn't hit it to save my life with my CZ shadow... Just for comparison.

Actually! This is the question! Have you handled all those makes you mentioned? Or fired them?

Cheers!

+1 on the Trojan and you should have done equally well with the Shadow, I'd say a little more familiarity and you would shoot it the same
 
+1 on the Trojan and you should have done equally well with the Shadow, I'd say a little more familiarity and you would shoot it the same

Hey Silver!

How bout that crazy glock hater guy Hayday!? Either he's nuts or an amazing troll!

Anyway... on to a related comment:

I owned my CZ for a year before getting the Trojan and put probably a couple thousand rounds through it. The Trojan, maybe three hundred or so... I was Waaaay more familiar with the CZ than the Trojan! ... I love CZ! I actually have another Shadow heading to me in the mail right now, and some nice aluminum grips from Dlask sitting here waiting... but I think that I just get along with a 1911 trigger better than I do a CZ's. ...
 
The same can be said for any custom fit gun. A G.I. Rattle trap 1911 will fit most parts except barrel and be plenty reliable. I like the feel of the hand fitted 1911's. Hand fitting is not the mark of poorly made gun. Most high end 1911's won't take parts without hand fitting.

There is a big difference between custom and hand built

custom work enhances already nicely built components, wheras hand built is trying to get the parts to fit just to get the gun to function. Norinco are more consistenlt built than SAMs. Just because the slide and frame rattle a bit is not a sign of a bad pistol, accuracy may be affected though.

i have seen the most loose pistals shoot reliable, doesn't mean their are accurate. Also the tighest pistols shoot amazing groups, that have failures all the time. Its finding the middle ground that is the key.

you WILL find SAM pistols are NOT built to spec compared to the majority of brand name pistols. A lot of people try to get them to the same level of higher brand name pistols, but by that time you have spent the same if not more to get the same results. Spending more on the pistol than it costs is just crazy, unless you plan on starting from ground up like in Ed Brown, Wilson, Les Baer, and others

not meant to disrespect people that own SAMs or Norks, but I have had the experience of owning both, and have had the chance to see and know pistolsmiths from STI, bill Wilson, Ed Brown, Jim Clark, Dlask, Gunnar, and Mike Johnson from my 25 years of competition

I have see peole make decisions on shooting 50 rounds from a friends gun. The big thing is chose accordingly, but you can't really amke a judgment until you have put many many many rounds downrange.
 
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Don't care much about small amounts of frame rattle on 1911's. The barrel is locked up in the slide and barrel bushing so frame rattle has no effect on accuracy. By the time the slide moves the bullet is gone. Check your barrel bushing instead. But they might want to market an accu-wedge for 1911s. I'm sure like in the AR-15 scene, some would swear by them and they would sell plenty ;)
 
About a dozen members at my club tried my Les Baer...

5 of them want me to call them if it's ever for sale...

I call that perfect public relation... JP.:)
 
Hey Silver!

How bout that crazy glock hater guy Hayday!? Either he's nuts or an amazing troll!

Anyway... on to a related comment:

I owned my CZ for a year before getting the Trojan and put probably a couple thousand rounds through it. The Trojan, maybe three hundred or so... I was Waaaay more familiar with the CZ than the Trojan! ... I love CZ! I actually have another Shadow heading to me in the mail right now, and some nice aluminum grips from Dlask sitting here waiting... but I think that I just get along with a 1911 trigger better than I do a CZ's. ...


That is surprising although I have (2) 1911 STI's I still feel I shoot better with my Shadow.. maybe I need to share a more love with my STI's
 
1911 threads always turn out the same.
its like saying "i really like blonds"
then SilverfoxDJ is gonna come in and say, "whaaaaaa, no. go black or go home"
then MadCow comes in and says "get you some filipino, they are the best, hand fitted!"

yet i always come in to watch the fun!
 
Have a look at the STI Trojan. Classic looking gun with great fit and finish and when they say "highend quality for a midrange price" they mean it. Mine has worked like a top right out of the box for over a year now with no tinkering required.

+1 my Trojan has been tops
 
1911 threads always turn out the same.
its like saying "i really like blonds"
then SilverfoxDJ is gonna come in and say, "whaaaaaa, no. go black or go home"
then MadCow comes in and says "get you some filipino, they are the best, hand fitted!"

yet i always come in to watch the fun!

I never said Filipino hand fitted is good, :p not in this thread, actually I said it was a disadvantage.

I try to give a non-partisan opinion on brands from experience over the years.

Silverfoxdj is always a STI fanboy Laugh2
 
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