Uclulet FN removes chief and bans him from hunting privileges

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I agree the double standards needs to stop

Status Indians should be allowed to own fee simple property.


Handouts needs to stop too

We need to stop giving Native land to foreign companies to engage in primary resource extraction.


Are you guys aware you are talking to a member of the Haida FN (carverk). A group that never surrendered to anyone or signed anything; just like the majority of FN's in BC who never signed a treaty? Not to mention a group that engages in a lot of self government.

Complaining about culturally specific punishments in BC is complaining about groups that never signed in not following "rules" from a racist antiquated piece of legislation they never even entered into!

FN's in BC are not FN's in Saskatchewan or Ontario; that is like me saying I'm a Slav because of my Swiss passport...

Haroon Siddiqui said:
“permanent nation-to-nation agreements” are what made Canada possible on the triangular foundation of aboriginals, Francophones and Anglophones. The indigenous peoples gave massive tracts of lands in return for a permanent partnership of equals.
Yet “we pretend that we do not have partnership obligations. We criticize. We insult. We complain. We weasel: Surely, these handouts have gone on long enough. But the most important handout was to us. ”
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Here is what I don't get with all of these silly treaties, agreements and land claims..... Canada in it's current state is largely uninhabited, to the tune of over 90%..... and that is with a population over 30,000,000.....

Now, think back to 1763... When the country was less than 1% inhabited and before that when only the FN population existed.... How does such a small amount of people living in tiny villages feel entitled to an entire country and land mass that measures 9.985 million km²? .... the second largest country in the world...... The whole principle is ridiculous.... And the fact that the two sides are still arguing over it to this day is absurd......
 
We tell me this not long ago my stepbrother was delling with Indian Affairs to get status for his kids
Thay wear denied because my stepbrother's grandfather served in the Canadian Army jury World War II and was disenfranchise
Think about it he goes to war when he comes home he's called to the Indian agent Handed a evection notice !
Indian affairs told my brother his kids were denied solely on the fact his grandfather served under a foreign country during the war
My brothers grandfather is 100% Indian and served in the Canadian army
This was just a few years ago

We have never bin Canadian
Just a side not during World War II they were more FN percapita that enlisted then any other ethnic group most lost ther Indian status right after the war this is Canada's Legacy
 
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carverk said:
We tell me this no long ago my stepbrother was delling with Indian Affairs to get status for his kids
Thay wear denied because my stepbrother's grandfather served in the Canadian Army jury World War II and was disenfranchise
Think about it he goes to war when he comes home he's called to the Indian agent Handed a evection notice !
Indian affairs told my brother his kids were denied solely on the fact his grandfather served under a foreign country during the war
My brothers grandfather is 100% Indian and served in the Canadian army
This was just a few years ago

We have never bin Canadian
Just a side not during World War II they were more FN percapita that enlisted then any other ethnic group most lost ther Indian status right after the war this is Canada's Legacy
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CarverK.... Let me tell you first off, I like your posts here and i think you ad value to the forum in general.... And I have a deep appreciation for true native culture.... I really do....

There is absolutely no doubt that there have been injustices on FN populations and there is absolutely no doubt that there have been injustices committed by the FN... Especially in regards to conservation and hunting and fishing practices, something I personally hold near and dear and have witnessed.... I have seen them first hand.... As for your stepbrother's grandfather, I am grateful for his service, I myself served for several years and did 3 tours... And what happened sounds like an injustice.....

Now, my question to you is, at what point does the hatchet get buried and we all work together for a practical and workable solution in regards to game management? I think it is abundantly clear to both sides that current state does not work..... The true honorable people among both sides want the same thing.... I think both sides have a distrust of government and that we are both speaking the same language.....
 
Superbrad said:
CarverK.... Let me tell you first off, I like your posts here and i think you ad value to the forum in general.... And I have a deep appreciation for true native culture.... I really do....

There is absolutely no doubt that there have been injustices on FN populations and there is absolutely no doubt that there have been injustices committed by the FN... Especially in regards to conservation and hunting and fishing practices, something I personally hold near and dear and have witnessed.... I have seen them first hand.... As for your stepbrother's grandfather, I am grateful for his service, I myself served for several years and did 3 tours... And what happened sounds like an injustice.....

Now, my question to you is, at what point does the hatchet get buried and we all work together for a practical and workable solution in regards to game management? I think it is abundantly clear to both sides that current state does not work..... The true honorable people among both sides want the same thing.... I think both sides have a distrust of government and that we are both speaking the same language.....
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I know that wen we are sitting at the table with game management
Telling us we are uneducated and stop playing the victim is not going to help your cause
We share are land with you
work with us but if you think your take it over you have a nother thing coming
We are your bigs Ally wen it comes to hunting and gun ownership but are patients will not go on forever
 
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carverk said:
I know that wen are and will be sitting at the table with game management
Telling us we are uneducated and stop playing the victim is not going to help your cause
We share are land with you
work with us but if you think your take it over you have a nother thing coming
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Apparently you are missing the olive branch..... This isn't your land and it never was.... and if any other country ie. germany, russia or an asian country (where your ancestors come from by the way) , had decided to colonize the country your people would have assimilated or been wiped out.... Just ask the grandfather of your stepbrother about WWII and why he was there....

And what is this "other thing coming" you speak of?....... I would love to know.... Heck, your tribes are lucky they aren't in the USA.... try blocking a road or bridge there and see what happens..... I just want a good agreement between all of us... it appears you aren't able to take constructive criticism and are hell bent on maintaining a position that FN cultures are always right and we need to treat you with kid gloves to agree on a simple principle of what is right and what is wrong.....
 
Superbrad said:
Apparently you are missing the olive branch..... This isn't your land and it never was.... and if any other country ie. germany, russia or an asian country (where your ancestors come from by the way) , had decided to colonize the country your people would have assimilated or been wiped out.... Just ask the grandfather of your stepbrother about WWII and why he was there....

And what is this "other thing coming" you speak of?....... I would love to know.... Heck, your tribes are lucky they aren't in the USA.... try blocking a road or bridge there and see what happens..... I just want a good agreement between all of us... it appears you aren't able to take constructive criticism and are hell bent on maintaining a position that FN cultures are always right and we need to treat you with kid gloves to agree on a simple principle of what is right and what is wrong.....
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This ant about agreeing or hunting it's about CGN endless attack on FN
 
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Superbrad said:
I am trying to be above that.... and give my true view..... what are you trying to do?.....
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Well at the begging of this I did say I agreed with ratherbefishing and still do
In cases wear conservation is critical of course we all have to work together
But wen thing turn to FN lynch mob how can I not say sumthing
I'm not the quite Little Indian that will smile well your spitting in my face
 
ad decided to colonize the country your people would have assimilated or been wiped out....
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I am coming into this as a "friend" of both of you guys and hope to leave the same way. Bear in mind my professional background while reading this post; and my good will towards both of you (lets no say good will towards all, cause this thread is starting to remind me of an un-named BC hunting forum.)

I have to say Brad; the Canadian government did have a policy of assimilation; and it was largely effective. Even Harper admitted this during his apology re: residential schools. Something I consider to be basically on par with the eugenics policies in place in Nazi Germany.

Not only that; your idea that the land was empty is also incorrect. For example in the regions I worked in there were very large indigenous populations; areas of VI and the lower mainland had similar or LARGER populations than today.

For groups in more remote areas land use largely followed a seasonal round and seasonal migration was common. A lot of land was "used" and covered.

As someone who has read the Indian Act extensively it certainly is "silly". But not in the way you are thinking. If such a piece of legislation was written today there would be international outcry and shouts of fascism...

I'm not the quite Little Indian that will smile well your spitting in my face
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Is any Haida though? These guys don't know what they are messing with hombre.
 
carverk said:
Well at the begging of this I did say I agreed with ratherbefishing and still do
In cases wear conservation is critical of course we all have to work together
But wen thing turn to FN lynch mob how can I not say sumthing
I'm not the quite Little Indian that will smile well your spitting in my face
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So, are you not able to admit that many abuse their native status as much as i am willing to admit there are white poachers?..... and are you not willing to admit that FN folks like to flaunt that they can do it and we cant?.....
 
Superbrad said:
So, are you not able to admit that many abuse their native status as much as i am willing to admit there are white poachers?..... and are you not willing to admit that FN folks like to flaunt that they can do it and we cant?.....
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What the hell are you talking about ?
Of course there are people that will abuse anything thay can both wight/native
 
carverk said:
We share are land with you
work with us but if you think your take it over you have a nother thing coming.
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It's not your land, no matter how much you like to think that. All Canadians share and own it.
Deal with it and move on, now is a good time to start. One of these years, the gravy train is going to derail, and your people will be hopelessly lost.
 
carverk said:
What the hell are you talking about ?
Of course there are people that will abuse anything thay can both wight/native
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I am talking about people that stack salmon and let them rot because they can....I am talking about people that spear pickerel while they breed and sell it at ten bucks a pound..... In their unregulated res stores.....

Show me one "white" guy that does so..... I guarantee he gets fined and busted...
 
Superbrad said:
I am talking about people that stack salmon and let them rot because they can....I am talking about people that spear pickerel while they breed and sell it at ten bucks a pound..... In their unregulated res stores.....

Show me one "white" guy that does so..... I guarantee he gets fined and busted...
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Funny we wear talking about BC I don't know what a Pickrell is are thay good eating
In my part of BC we hunt and fish with the non natives
We give food to those how need it
I bet you can't find a west coast logger how hasn't sat on a log at lunch injoying a pice of dried smoke salmon with us Indians
We take are non native Neighbors into are homes and invite them into our events
We hired are own biologists And scientists to help us manage the fish and wild life most of them we're the ones that Mr. Harper and Crisri Clark laid off now thay work fo us
 
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bearkilr said:
It's not your land, no matter how much you like to think that. All Canadians share and own it.
Deal with it and move on, now is a good time to start. One of these years, the gravy train is going to derail, and your people will be hopelessly lost.
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Read your history we are not Canadians
We gon to court with the Crown and won we have title like it or not belongs to us we Share It with you
As for the grave train keep it we whant to separate from Canada
 
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conor_90 said:
Is any Haida though? These guys don't know what they are messing with hombre.
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No schit! To put it into context for those that don't know BC history, the Haida were the BC version of Vikings. They kicked ass and took names. And in between were able to create one of the most refined art forms of any "primitive" people, anywhere in the world.

What is more hardcore than cutting down an ancient cedar tree, forming it into a seaworthy dugout canoe, then paddling it across incredibly treacherous waters to go lay the smackdown on any and everyone?

That's hardcore....;)
 
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