Bill S-223

Get more people out shooting more licenses = more supporters & keep harassing your local mp's. No need for rambo's after the fact ! Fight with your voice and pen now. Also those in the west consider joining the western republic of Canada
 
Get more people out shooting more licenses = more supporters & keep harassing your local mp's. No need for rambo's after the fact ! Fight with your voice and pen now. Also those in the west consider joining the western republic of Canada

Yes indeed. Many ranges will host groups. The "Ladies Only Day" at my range was a huge hit. Something like 50 women came out and tried our sport for the 1st time. The next one will probably be bigger.
 
Keeping a close eye on this total Bullscat . & will be writing Ottawa to voice my opinion on these underhandedly presented proposed "laws"

I'd sincerely doubt that the good retiring "senator" even got halfway through reading this waste of paper!
 
As a member of the NFA, CSSA I have donated and wrote letters before. When the county wanted to close my range, members including myself wrote letters to the county councillors asking them to keep the range open and guess what they still closed the range. As gun owners we can't even keep ranges open by writing letters. Yet you expect to be able to convince politicians in Ottawa to let you keep your guns because you wrote an angry letter telling them how angry you are. But writing letters do work sometimes, I can't even imagine how many angry letters King George received before granting the colonies independence.
 
What is there 2 million gun owners in Canada. What happens if people just don't comply with whatever law they bring in. They are not going to arrest 2 million people, they are not going to shoot 2 million people. So stop pissing your pants and prepare to make a stand.

What you don't think writing an email to an MP is going to have an impact on the decisions made in parliament....I think that you are 100% correct with this comment, snivelling emails drenched in tears aren't going to influence any decision made in Ottawa on Bill S-223.
 
I'm thinking the only true way to make our voices heard is to organize a large protest at the provincial building in every province Canada wide. If this bill does make it past the second reading it seems like our only option. I write to every person I can think of to make my voice heard but at the end of the day I don't think it does any good as said by others and becomes another deleted email for someone else's agenda. A public protest is the only sure way to make our opinions count because it would more than likely be broadcasted across Canada by the media making our voice heard loud and clear. The media is almost certain to be involved with 100.000 people standing on the door step of every capital provincial building in Canada.
 
I just emailed this to her. Maybe it will help, maybe not. I encourage everyone on here to do the same.


Senator,

After reading through Bill C-223 I immediately knew I had to write you to express my grave concerns regarding this Bill.

However, first please let me tell you a bit about myself and my personal and professional interests in this matter.

Professionally speaking I have served eleven years with the Canadian Forces, I have served as a Correctional Officer and I am currently in my 7th year as a police officer / supervisor. I have a diverse number of qualifications such as small arms instructor and I am a federally recognized firearms verifier. I have seized many firearms over the course of my career so far. I have seen firearms used in crimes and I have seen firearms used responsibly by their owners.

Personally, I am a firearms enthusiast. I enjoy target shooting and spend a great deal of time at the range with my family. I have two young boys and because of the time they have spent with me at the range they have a healthy understanding and appreciation for firearms.

In my opinion both privately and professionally Bill C-223 addresses a problem that does not exist.

As I said, I have seen many firearms used in offences. None, of these offences would have been prevented by the regulations proposed under Bill C-223. The simple fact is if someone is prepared to commit a crime using a firearm then they have already displayed a disregard for law. As such creating more laws is not going to deter them.

Secondly, as a police officer I have never been aided in my duties by the gun registry, Authorization to Transport or other such "paper" restrictions.

In my opinion Canada does not have a gun problem. Canada has a gang problem, a violence problem and a border problem. The best way to stop gun violence is to take the illegal guns off of the streets, not out of the hands of responsible gun owners. Everyday the police officers that serve our communities are finding their hands further tied in what they can do to deal with these issues. The recent "carding" policy within Ontario only further restricted our abilities to take these illegal firearms out of the hands of those that are truly dangerous. Everyday that the police become more restricted the criminal becomes more enabled. I've seen it first hand on the streets, I have listened to inmates talk about it. They know what they can get away with. They know the boundaries imposed on the police and they use it to their full advantage.

My former partner had spent time in California policing and used to talk about the policies they had there. Upon release from court / custody any person convicted of a violent felony was subject to search of their person and immediate surroundings by a police officer when outside of their residence. It may seem invasive, but these are people who have been tried and convicted of violence. Just imagine how many firearms would be off the streets tonight if Canadian police officers could use this same search authority. This is where you will find solutions. Not in restricting responsible gun owners.

If we talked about firearms themselves. The classification rules, restrictions and limitations on specific firearms are very much nonsense. A firearms delivers a high bullet at high speed that is designed to caused damage killing or incapacitating a person / animal ect. The laws surrounding calibers, accessories, stocks, and magazine capacities do not in anyway change the underlying principle of how firearms work. For example; one firearm that is always mentioned is the "assault rifle" or AR15. These rifles are very familiar to me. They shoot a .223 or 5.56mm round which is actually quite small. These firearms were designed to injure soldiers instead of kill them. It was believed that it inflicted more damage to an enemy if soldiers were being wounded instead of killed because it would quickly drain the enemy of resources for evacuation and medical care. Conversely, a 12g shotgun (typical for duck or goose hunting) or a .30-30 lever action rifle (commonly used for deer hunting) are more accurate, shoot a much larger and more damaging round and are far capable of killing or injuring a person then an assault rifle. Yet, we in Canada are heavily regulating assault rifles. At the end of the day a rifle, is a rifle is a rifle and if someone wants to misuse one no amount of regulation, tracking, registry or otherwise will prevent that.

What can prevent these tragedies is to empower the police to take guns out of the hands of criminals and to tighten our borders to the stem of illegal firearms that pour in from the US everyday.

I invite and encourage you to join me sometime both at my shooting club and in my cruiser so that I can show you first hand where the problems are and how they can best be addressed to better the safety of all Canadians.

Respectfully,

Kevin Andress

Well done and fantastic! But I don't think she will understand it and think it in correct way, since she is a unqualified senator. Send it to others will be more useful.

BTW, the Canadian NRA is so incompetent compared with State's and it is really let me feel so hopeless when the thing happen like S-223, look at High River Gun grab, soooo surprised Canadian gov could seizure properties of law-abiding citizen like that in a democracy, and there was no any group can speak and stand for them in power. Same thing in UN Marking and current S-223. We have to fight by our-self alone and seems like it is endless ~~~~
 
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UPDATE
So I emailed Jim Munson Senate house leader for the Libs he said he would look into it and get back to me, he didn't get back to me, mind you it was friday. Ran into his assistant and he tells me the Senator who introduced the bill just wanted to make a splash before she left and not to worry.
 
UPDATE
So I emailed Jim Munson Senate house leader for the Libs he said he would look into it and get back to me, he didn't get back to me, mind you it was friday. Ran into his assistant and he tells me the Senator who introduced the bill just wanted to make a splash before she left and not to worry.

I don't trust what Ran said.
 
UPDATE
So I emailed Jim Munson Senate house leader for the Libs he said he would look into it and get back to me, he didn't get back to me, mind you it was friday. Ran into his assistant and he tells me the Senator who introduced the bill just wanted to make a splash before she left and not to worry.

This is the problem.

Senators wanking away our time and money in an attempt to raise their own profile, serve their own purpose and leave some kind of BS legacy. This is "the system" at work. No accountability for doing anything productive. Worse yet, these kind of brain-dead liabilities are appointed, not elected. Drive me nuts.

On the same hand, many elected MP's are no better.
 
Just get it over with and Ban everything..........then they will see how bad it really is......you know the big appetite for illegal guns up here is? The flow of guns accross the border will increase 10 fold
 
Good. Let her try to make a splash.
Let's splash right back in their FACE! so that they don't think they can get away with doing this in the future without one hell of a fight.

Us keeping quiet now is a signal that maybe we aren't paying attention, and we won't put up much of a fight when the real deal comes.
 
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Any more news as to the progress of this insane bill? I sent a letter to my MP and have looked on Legis info and it shows only a first reading with 28 senators present.
 
Any more news as to the progress of this insane bill? I sent a letter to my MP and have looked on Legis info and it shows only a first reading with 28 senators present.

First reading completed.
Second reading stage in progress, but the senator has retired, and no senator has adopted/sponsored the bill yet. A couple weeks without a sponsor and it's dead.
It's failed 3 times before, so even if it gets a sponsor it's probably dead.

Second reading stage consists of {reading, debate, committee, adopting committee recommendations, vote}. Debate was begun, but postponed on a motion by the good Senator Anne Cools.

Here's the current
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
 
First reading completed.
Second reading stage in progress, but the senator has retired, and no senator has adopted/sponsored the bill yet. A couple weeks without a sponsor and it's dead.
It's failed 3 times before, so even if it gets a sponsor it's probably dead.

Second reading stage consists of {reading, debate, committee, adopting committee recommendations, vote}. Debate was begun, but postponed on a motion by the good Senator Anne Cools.

Here's the current
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186

Thanks for posting the good info. Was wondering just what the current situation was. Hopefully this gets flushed, like most crap does. Never to see the light of day again.
 
Got another response from the senate:

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to provide some insight on Bill S-223. I will take your perspective into consideration as this bill makes its way through the Senate.

Best Regards,

The Honourable Claudette Tardif
Senator for Alberta
 
So far only one Alberta Senator has responded as follows:

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to provide some insight on Bill S-223. I will take your perspective into consideration as this bill makes its way through the Senate.



Best Regards,



The Honourable Claudette Tardif

Senator for Alberta
 
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