I'm getting sick of the 1000 yard goal

Ammo, next to good glass mounting, is probably the best bet one has to getting on at 1,000. If you're not shooting match ammo, you're swimming upstream. Match ammo just means a very well balanced projectile, higher bc is better, a good temperature insensitive powder and consistent powder charges.

This chick can shoot three gun like nobody's business. She doesn't shoot long, and with a bit of help, she's on, with a savage 111.

But the best part of the vid, is, well, the shooter. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/XYiGsplmMZE
 
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twosmokinspades said:
I did hit all 10. 1 did not drop it spun around so it was almost side ways to us. April then shot the one on edge in two shots. You beat us in time. I think but can't remember 20 seconds. :). I look forward to next year. I love the competion spirt. On the second day I really did get lucky, I have an excellent spotter that made it all come together for me. I think a great spotter is the key.

Anyway we got off topic. Shooting 1000can be very challenging. I have shot at many matches and seen seasoned shooters miss the target compeatly. They just missed that critical wind change.
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Your shooting the second day was off the charts! Congrats again! Doesnt hurt as bad to come in second overall when your competition steps it up and earns the win.

What does hurt is getting greedy on the dots and $hi++ing the bed with 80pts in hand. Doh!

Bsand's account of the match results are lacking quite a few pertinent details or is conveniently ambiguous.
 
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Dogleg said:
I'm working toward 1000 yards with black powder. Does that make me a bad person?
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Not in my book. I'm loading cases for the annual Creedmoor and High Plains Challenge matches in Colorado at the end of the month.

Hitting a gong or getting on paper at 1000 yards is not very hard. Shooting a competative score at 1000 is much harder. I think the opportunity for learning something happens every time you shoot at long range.

Chris.
 
twosmokinspades said:
I did hit all 10. 1 did not drop it spun around so it was almost side ways to us. April then shot the one on edge in two shots. You beat us in time. I think but can't remember 20 seconds. :). I look forward to next year. I love the competion spirt. On the second day I really did get lucky, I have an excellent spotter that made it all come together for me. I think a great spotter is the key.

Anyway we got off topic. Shooting 1000can be very challenging. I have shot at many matches and seen seasoned shooters miss the target compeatly. They just missed that critical wind change.
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Your shooting that day was ridiculous! That match was my first and I'm hooked. It was super fun. I "stole" your wind dope for the steel match and managed 4 of those gongs before the wind shifted and I was fubared. All that with a factory Rem with BDL and a 10x Leupy :) Super stoked to shoot out to 850 down at Rattlesnake and hopefully find a spot for 1000 or so close to home!
 
rugbydave said:
Your shooting that day was ridiculous! That match was my first and I'm hooked. It was super fun. I "stole" your wind dope for the steel match and managed 4 of those gongs before the wind shifted and I was fubared. All that with a factory Rem with BDL and a 10x Leupy :) Super stoked to shoot out to 850 down at Rattlesnake and hopefully find a spot for 1000 or so close to home!
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Nice you're coming to rattlesnake too, see ya there. Movers at 300-400 and 700-800 at a pace of 3 mph!(from what the MD at match at UNSC today was saying)
Should be a hell of a good time!

marcoman said:
Your shooting the second day was off the charts! Congrats again! Doesnt hurt as bad to come in second overall when your competition steps it up and earns the win.

What does hurt is getting greedy on the dots and $hi++ing the bed with 80pts in hand. Doh!

Bsand's account of the match results are lacking quite a few pertinent details or is conveniently ambiguous.
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Lacking what pertinent details?
 
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bsand said:
Nice you're coming to rattlesnake too, see ya there. Movers at 300-400 and 700-800 at a pace of 3 mph!(from what the MD at match at UNSC today was saying)
Should be a hell of a good time!



Lacking what pertinent details?
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Yeah, stoked! Just waiting on my Form 6 which hopefully comes through this week... No more BDL now either, that really killed me in Chilliwack. Trying to jam 4 rounds in through the port wasn't real helpful. Installed a DBM the other day. Still have the 10x Leupy though, thanks a lot for having production delays Nightforce, haha
 
Got Juice? said:
Time to build a range on my property.... 1750 should be possible with no clination. But there will be an area under the trajectory that drops below LOS by 30 feet. Will this be an issue?
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Shooting in areas like that will only make you a better shooter in the wind. Its real fun when your bullet gets a few 100 feet off the ground :)
 
Got Juice? said:
Time to build a range on my property.... 1750 should be possible with no clination. But there will be an area under the trajectory that drops below LOS by 30 feet. Will this be an issue?
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No issues other than if you want to place a target at a particular range that happens to be in that area. My range has a 'hole' in it; drops immediately after 800 and then the ground reappears at about 1045. Although extremely unlikely, travel is possible through that hole. We have signs that we put up while we shoot in case someone drops a shot short of 1050. In our case, the wind really doesn't change a heck of a lot through that gap but it does show up from time to time and will play on you a bit (nothing like shooting across a mountain valley).

 
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Time to build a range on my property.... 1750 should be possible with no clination. But there will be an area under the trajectory that drops below LOS by 30 feet. Will this be an issue?
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30 feet isn't all that bad. Terrain features can do some seemingly mysterious things to a flatlander. My little range has a steep drop down to the lake on the left and ahead that depending on distance and wind direction can play havok with come-ups. At 800 and past a head wind creates a steep updraft that can easily cause hits 1 1/2 MOA high. Thought I was losing my mind at first, but eventually a light bulb comes on. Shots up to 500 aren't bad with winds with any northern flavor because they zip behind the trees. Past 600 the bullets clear the treetops and get the full brunt of force and lift. Winds from the south are across the open and are predictably flat. The very rare calm day gives boiling mirage and high hits past 600. At least it's hard to get bored.
 
I'm no competitive shooter, but every now and again I get bit by the long range bug. My target rig is a lowly .308 with a 28" tube and a long throat that gives me 2660 with 215 gr Matrix or Berger VLDs seated long. Using that data, I ordered a WhizWheel from Accuracy 1st. The day it arrived we headed out to the range, and with gizmo in hand, was advised that 7 mils would put me on target at 850, which just happened to be a convenient spot to shoot from. First shot hit the steel plate. Well that works, but with nothing left to do, we went home. What I wanted to check out was the correctability feature of the gizmo, but there was nothing to correct. Most of the pertinent parameters that can be entered into an electronic program can be entered into the WhizWheel, but the real advantage it has over a phone or a Kestral is that you can actually see it under bright glaring sunlight.

What is particularly interesting is shooting out beyond where the bullet drops below the speed of sound, and I've got it in my head that I'd like to center punch 45 gallon drum at a mile. That would be a good trick with a .308, but the fast 1:8 twist should keep me stabilized at the extended ranges. At a mile the bullet should still have 800 fps, so the terminal ballistics are like a .45 auto at the muzzle, and should put a good skidmark on the barrel if I can arrange a hit.

So quit talking and just do it the man says. Well, here's the problem. My scope has 13 mils of elevation, and the 20 minute base allows me to use all of it. I can use the hold offs in the reticle to gain another 10, that's 23, but I might need 30-35 to be on at nearly 1800 yards. So I need a place that has some high vantage point where I can put up an aiming target and place the impact target more or less in line below it. The impact target won't be in my field of view, but at least I'll be able to use the center of the reticle to aim with.

The easiest solution is to wait for freeze up, and shoot out on Hudson Bay; there's a couple of places along the coast where the geography is useful if I can position myself to shoot from the sea ice. But there are problems associated with shooting in the cold. The air is denser, so the bullet's BC is degraded, and muzzle velocities tends to be lower on very cold days, when the air is most stable. Short daylight hours that have glaring light and ice crystals in the air present sighting challenges, or the light can be so subdued on cloudy days that the target might not be visible, and travel on the sea ice in flat light is at best treacherous. You're geared up to stay warm, so your position is less stable or repeatable, and your cheek weld is just a bad joke. In addition to that frozen fingers, and my hands are no good in the cold anymore, are not compatible with fine trigger control. That sounds like enough of a challenge to keep me amused for years to come.
 
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If you want to shoot 1000 yds consistently it takes money, lots of it, and dedication. Start with the rifle, a precision build can cost over 6 thousand dollars, then you need a good spotting scope, another 1 to 3000 dollars, dont even think about spending 2 or 300 bucks on a spotter, you will be wasting your time. Throw in a good range finder 600 dollars and up from there. Good glass can start at 1000 and go up from there. Think Vortex, Night force. After you got your shooter, glass, range finder, and spotting scope, you now need to begin reloading. A good Rock Chucker Supreme reloading kit with all the necessary tools that do not come with it, your in to it for 5 to 600 dollars. Then you have to start developing a load. If not done correctly the sky is the limit on the scheckles you can spend, not to mention wearing out a custom precision barrel before you find your most accurate load of powder, and bullet combo. Along with load development you will also need a good chronograph so you know how your external ballistics are preforming, another couple hundred bucks or so. After assembling all your necessary gear or while doing so you will also need to read everything you can on long range shooting. The learning curve here is huge.
 
The learning curve is huge, especially if one decides to tackle it alone. But reading and enlisting the help of experienced shooters costs very little to nothing. I know what you're saying, Eaglenester, because what you've laid out is entirely possible. However, considering that the majority of folks attempting to be proficient at 1000 yards are already set up with reloading gear (or at least have a good buddy who will do it with / for the shooter) or will buy match grade ammo, the validity of this cost is subjective for the 'commitment' portion of the arguement.

Crap, I just got a callout............ I've hit 1050 with reasonable regularity (about as much as could be expected) with my bone stock R700 22" barreled .280 and 139 SST's (okay, bedded by me). Not a lot invested in either the machine or the development.

More on this later.....
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There's and old target shooters saying:

Beginners talk about guns, experts talk about ammo and the winners talk about wind. A bit trite, but with more than a grain of truth to it as well.

I'd say that the absolute first thing you need is a plan, and the plan has to include some equipment that gives you a chance, and either the knowledge of what to do with it or an inkling of where that knowledge could be found.

I'd wager that if you showed up early at a DCRA match with a beat up Sportco, your pockets stuffed full of Gold Meal Match, and the desire to learn a couple guys would grab you, tell how, where and when to point it and likely offer to share their lunch along whatever portion of their years of experience you can soak up in a day. By the end of the day you would have more 1000 yard hits under your belt than 1000 deer hunters.

That might not seem like much of a plan, but it would get you farther faster than playing with a deer rifle and a duplex while wishing you had more money.
 
Shooter ----/ said:
Love it!! Walking it in using large oversize targets without consistency. Going on that premise, I can walk in a 12ga. slug to 500 yards on a target that is well over 10 inches wide with no sights! Maybe go even further with a larger target. Same deal. Fling enough lead out at something, eventually you'll hit it. Sigh.
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In my experience this is a misconception.

I tried a hit rodded 243 at 2000 yds .... because I could :) ... and never hit a thing. The barrel eventually got so hot I had to pour water down it and the water came out boiling. The primary problem was wind drift. A round would go way off to one side so we'd correct and then the round would go way off the other side. At extreme ranges, wind becomes a big problem, especially if it is not consistent. Your 12 ga slug at 500 yds would have the same issues because it would have such a terrible BC, a very long flight time and tons of drop.

Sure, maybe you get lucky but chances are you don't and more likely burn the barrel before hitting anything.
 
Suputin said:
In my experience this is a misconception.

I tried a hit rodded 243 at 2000 yds .... because I could :) ... and never hit a thing. The barrel eventually got so hot I had to pour water down it and the water came out boiling. The primary problem was wind drift. A round would go way off to one side so we'd correct and then the round would go way off the other side. At extreme ranges, wind becomes a big problem, especially if it is not consistent. Your 12 ga slug at 500 yds would have the same issues because it would have such a terrible BC, a very long flight time and tons of drop.

Sure, maybe you get lucky but chances are you don't and more likely burn the barrel before hitting anything.
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And here you've nailed it. Pepper the countryside with enough projectiles and eventually you'll land a few. Like a mortar crew. This where I find it frustrating with people calling it easy.

I've been there. 358Rooster watched me start out that way with me thinking it would be easy. Sure, with good conditions I could drop a few in there after raining lead everywhere. But after watching him pound them in from first to last with maybe the occasional miss, I realized there was more to it and I had LOTS to learn and still learning. After trying F-class, which was never really in my interest until trying it and seeing what can be done with a rifle in conditions that most would just stay home in, I'm hooked. Watching those guys make wind adjustments for sometimes 15 rounds over the course of 45 minutes and be able to keep almost all in an 1 MOA target. Best part is, they're all great guys and been nothing but great help and very supportive. The way I see it, those guys can call it closer to being easy.

Just to put this out there, I mean no offence to anyone with this. It's just how I see it now and recognize that I was there. Not saying I'm much further ahead then I was but I'm seeing and identifying the problems I have and doing my best to get better at this hobby.
 
Dogleg said:
30 feet isn't all that bad. Terrain features can do some seemingly mysterious things to a flatlander. My little range has a steep drop down to the lake on the left and ahead that depending on distance and wind direction can play havok with come-ups. At 800 and past a head wind creates a steep updraft that can easily cause hits 1 1/2 MOA high. Thought I was losing my mind at first, but eventually a light bulb comes on. Shots up to 500 aren't bad with winds with any northern flavor because they zip behind the trees. Past 600 the bullets clear the treetops and get the full brunt of force and lift. Winds from the south are across the open and are predictably flat. The very rare calm day gives boiling mirage and high hits past 600. At least it's hard to get bored.
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Very cool.

I think the 30' under LOS might cause an issue, depending on the wind. Time will tell I suppose.
 
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