T2 Garand -Part 2

plinker 777 said:
I say Kudos to CGN!! They were the ones who ultimately stood up for us (the shooting community). The corporate Marstar would have continued in it's ways until someone was hurt or killed.
Thanks to CGN, that will not occur with this dealer from this forum.

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This, only reason I went on was because they where a site sponsor... Picked up a 22 from them. Can bet I will NEVER buy from them again.
 
Unfortunately, a lot (most?) of those ticking time bombs are still out there, just waiting to maim someone.
And that, more than anything else he may have done in the past shows the true measure of this man
 
tjsudbury said:
Unfortunately, a lot (most?) of those ticking time bombs are still out there, just waiting to maim someone.
And that, more than anything else he may have done in the past shows the true measure of this man
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There wasn't a general recall?
 
I doubt if this incident will set Marstar back any . CGN , like any other Canadian Gun Site , reaches very few firearm owners. The great majority of Canadian firearm owners have never even heard of the T2 , and probably never will . The real risk to Marstar would be if one of these rifles malfunctioned , and caused severe injury , and Marstar ended up with a resulting lawsuit . Even then , cause and effect may be tough to prove in Court unless the firearm was bought from Marstar very recently .
 
Templar Knight said:
I doubt if this incident will set Marstar back any . CGN , like any other Canadian Gun Site , reaches very few firearm owners. The great majority of Canadian firearm owners have never even heard of the T2 , and probably never will . The real risk to Marstar would be if one of these rifles malfunctioned , and caused severe injury , and Marstar ended up with a resulting lawsuit . Even then , cause and effect may be tough to prove in Court unless the firearm was bought from Marstar very recently .
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Lawsuits are 50% +1. Only have to prove it was likely they knew, and didn't take corrective action.
 
gmartinqc said:
Well I returned my rifle and got those and the rest of my money refunded.



Consecutive serial numbers to boot.
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I know it's always exciting acquiring some new toys, but I'm baffled why any CGNer would give a cent of their hard earned money to this clown. Should be an absolute boycott of any and all marstar products.

I've never had the luxury of dealing with John and after seeing his complete lack of consideration for his customers and his ignorant attitude, I never will and I'll relay this info to every firearm enthusiast I know that doesn't belong to CGN.
 
I just recently read the whole T2 Garand fiasco and there's absolutely 0% chance I would ever do business with Marstar. They clearly showed to every one how not to do business, how not to treat customers and how to (hopefully) lose business!
Unbelievable!
 
I wonder how well their "iron clad guarantee" will cover fixing the damage to someone's face when the bolt lugs shear off and the bolt embeds itself into some unknowing person's skull.
 
svehn said:
I wonder how well their "iron clad guarantee" will cover fixing the damage to someone's face when the bolt lugs shear off and the bolt embeds itself into some unknowing person's skull.
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From what I saw of the only two examples I had had in hand and my eyeballs on, shearing off the lugs wouldn't happen. Maybe excess gasses and bits of blown cases escaping in the resulting larger opening but that's about it. Remember, some of the put together rifles out there that were done by wannabe enthusiasts aren't in any better condition. I am in no way defending Marstar with this comment. They know better or at the very least should know better and should be held to a higher standard but don't be fooled into thinkin Martar's offerings are the only non spec and shabby put togethers out there.

IMHO the Marstar rifles I saw would not KABOOM. That doesn't mean they wouldn't fail in other ways. We don't want or need any of that to happen to anyone.

CAVEAT EMPTOR is the byword when you purchase anything. Marstar did eventually cover all costs of return and even from day one did honor their return policy. See if that option is available on EE or private purchases. Again, Marstar should never have put those rifles up for sale in the first place. That speaks volumes in itself.
 
plinker 777 said:
BH...there was a guy who's barrel was hand tight...if it were to come loose while firing, I would think a Kaboom would occur. The round wouldn't just take the barrel down range, at least I don't believe so...but I'm not a physicist.
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A hand tight barrel is not nearly as dangerous as some would have you believe. What do you think would happen if the barrel turned out of index?? First the sights would be canted, next the op rod would bind making the rifle non operational. If a shooter insisted on trying to operate any rifle beyond this point, that shooter needs to give his/her head a shake. Even at hand tight the barrel isn't going to miraculously spin off. Catastrophic failures would have been doubtful on the two rifles I inspected. I can't tell you what the rest were like. From the other comments on the first thread I would say they were pretty much in similar condition. Accidents waiting to happen???????????

Look, I was not and am not defending Marstar in any way on their last debacle. It was beneath them and why they went through with it I don't know. I don't believe pulling their banner from CGN or any other Canadian site is making much of a difference to them as far as their main business goes. I was definitely surprised when they were the only company in North America to be offering those rifles and it raised an immediate red flag for me but that is just force of habit for me. If it doesn't feel good don't do it.

Just to let you know, I had a Remington 700 that was rebarreled by a well known Canadian gunsmith, who IMHO is an excellent smith. The rifle was chambered in 6PPC. I intended to use it for matches. I was developing an accurate load/seating depth/neck thickness and length etc for it an after around 150 rounds it all went to hell. Nothing I could see at first and I suspected the scope. I was wrong of course. The barrel had turned out of crush point/index about 5 degrees. I didn't see it myself until a friend noticed the witness marks had a gap. With very little effort that barrel turned out of the receiver. If I had measured the cartridge case I might have noticed this but may have related it to lug set back until the barrel was pulled which would have confirmed the issue. 0f course, 5 degrees only relates to appx .008 inches in overall linear movement. Hardly enough to take it to KABOOM territory.
 
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bearhunter said:
From what I saw of the only two examples I had had in hand and my eyeballs on, shearing off the lugs wouldn't happen.
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Based upon how you can gauge the heat affected zone, evidence of fatigue cracking or welding indications with your eyeballs?

Forgive me for suggesting that unless you magna fluxed the lugs, hardness tested the weld itself and the surrounding heat affected zone, and did a dye penetrant test - you likely are not qualified to say the lugs would not fail.

I will say, that in the Canadian Forces, the bolts on those Tippo 2 rifles would have been scrapped as unsafe visual failures by ANY DQA inspector. Immediately.

I believe the likelihood of premature fatigue failure resulting in a sheared lug to be unreasonably high. Especially on the lugs that were undercut by Hauck.
 
Claven2 said:
Based upon how you can gauge the heat affected zone, evidence of fatigue cracking or welding indications with your eyeballs?

Forgive me for suggesting that unless you magna fluxed the lugs, hardness tested the weld itself and the surrounding heat affected zone, and did a dye penetrant test - you likely are not qualified to say the lugs would not fail.

I will say, that in the Canadian Forces, the bolts on those Tippo 2 rifles would have been scrapped as unsafe visual failures by ANY DQA inspector. Immediately.

I believe the likelihood of premature fatigue failure resulting in a sheared lug to be unreasonably high. Especially on the lugs that were undercut by Hauck.
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Claven, you are the one being presumptuous here. From the amount of grinding I saw there was no way there was enough heat generated to cause anything coming apart. Nowhere did I say they were OK. I just pointed out the obvious that they wouldn't break off. I won't say they were in spec because I doubt they were. Whoever put those rifles together were not from anyone's armed forces and neither is Marstar. If that actually has anything at all to do with the safety of those bolts. Yes, they would be taking one hell of a beating with each firing but it would take a long time before one failed IMHO.
 
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