MNR Ontario cancels wolf & coyote hunting & trapping in more zones.
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prairie lover
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your right on. nature is a major teeter totter. peta says it balances itself. right........research the deer population in north America the last 300 years.
Bloberglawp
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With the extinction of american lions, wholly mammoth, american cheetahs, yukon horses and countless other species before humans where actually a factor is predator/prey balance in North America only proves to us we know idly squat.
The wolf has been extinct in the USA for a hundred years (except a few states) by man. They where on an extermination process because of a few livestock attacks and they wanted more big game to shoot.
They would not stop killing the wolf until.it was gone from most states this is an ignorant mentality which I hope does not take hold in canada.
The wolf is a hated and misunderstood animal Imo.
They would not stop killing the wolf until.it was gone from most states this is an ignorant mentality which I hope does not take hold in canada.
The wolf is a hated and misunderstood animal Imo.
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I don't anyone here is saying they want the wolf extinct. What I'm saying is they are an animal that needs to be managed like everything else. We take deer and moose and other game animals, Only fitting that we take some predators as well, For you know - balance harvest.
Total Wolf population in Norway is between 60 and 70, close to hundred if you count the ones going between Sweden and Norway. Government issued licences for 47 to be taken as wolves are known to kill and maim livestock.
The "trehuggers" and protection movements are gone berserk the last few days.
The "trehuggers" and protection movements are gone berserk the last few days.
prairie lover
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do some research on what the introduced wolves have done the last 10 years to the vast elk herds of the western us. tell me if you want them managed or not? if your anti hunting you will love the fact that wolves bring game populations down so far that they have to close hunting seasons. remember the caribou heard in bc the antis went nuts over when the government started killing wolves from planes? if they wouldn't have than that heard would be gone. forever. also you will never make wolves extinct using guns, steel traps and snares. you will only take a small amount and put the fear of man into them which is required unless you want them eating your cattle and children. wolves were pushed back in the early days using poison. very effective. also aerial gunning was used later on.
Coyotes I hunt, my favourite quarry and I hunt rabbits, grouse, waterfowl, turkey, deer and bear.
I would correct the notion that coyotes are not native to Canada, by saying they are native to North America. It has been my experience that coyotes have expanded their range into south and central ON. For example, as a kid hunting rabbits there was no talk of coyotes. Then, coyotes seemed to be part of conversation from time to time followed by huntable populations. Now, I can hear coyotes weekly outside my home.
Given the conflicting evidence regarding this so called Algonquin wolf, the MNR could have initiated a mandatory harvest reporting system (like turkey, bear etc.). That way a technician could collect DNA samples for analysis to refute or confirm this eastern / Algonquin wolf question. It would be at that juncture where management decisions would be better offered.
I would correct the notion that coyotes are not native to Canada, by saying they are native to North America. It has been my experience that coyotes have expanded their range into south and central ON. For example, as a kid hunting rabbits there was no talk of coyotes. Then, coyotes seemed to be part of conversation from time to time followed by huntable populations. Now, I can hear coyotes weekly outside my home.
Given the conflicting evidence regarding this so called Algonquin wolf, the MNR could have initiated a mandatory harvest reporting system (like turkey, bear etc.). That way a technician could collect DNA samples for analysis to refute or confirm this eastern / Algonquin wolf question. It would be at that juncture where management decisions would be better offered.
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XX Moosehead XX
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The mohawk natives of Ontario and Quebec often refer to the coyote as the great trickster. The coyote was here long before the "white man" started messing with everything.
Since the onset of our meddling with nature, the coyote populations have skyrocketed, and have been altered quite a bit. This is why they seem more prevalent now, and in places often not thought to be their traditional territory. They are one of the most resourceful, and opportunistic animals in N. America.
XX Moosehead XX
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You can call it a teeter totter if you like, but it is the way natures balance works.
Poor deer populations at those times, had little to do with predator numbers. Coyote numbers were down then as well, as we're wolf numbers.
Shooting wolves and coyotes just because they interfere with YOUR chosen animal to hunt, is selfish, short sighted, and the reason we're in the mess we're in.
Actually Moosehead, shooting wolves and coyotes to increase game animals is the way nature works...wolves kill other wolves, coyotes and bears to protect their chosen home ground area game numbers....humans are only returning the favour.
Chuckbuster
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So then how did they become extirpated in most of the continental US? Also, where in North America have wolves eaten children?
XX Moosehead XX
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LOL nature doesn't use guns! Humans aren't returning the favour, simply turning the balance in their favour.
I'm new to hunting, but no stranger to wildlife management. I'm a natural resource technician, that specialized in forestry. I've also spent the better part of my life enjoying "the woods" of ontario. So while I'm no expert, I'm also not some idiot on a keyboard, picking cyber fights. Humans have done a piss poor job managing wildlife resources. Arbitrarily shooting an animal because it serves no purpose to you, is just plain dumb. Nusance animals are different of course.
B.C., Alberta, and Alaska, have all conducted wolf culls in the recent past, if not currently. Why is it ok for a government to shoot wolves ( to protect a resource ), but not ok for me to do the same as an individual? The impact I have, as an individual, hunting on foot, will be miniscule compared organized culls conducted from the air.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/wolf-cull-save-elk-moose-1.3450522
Strychnine and arsenic were widely used.
prairie lover
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exactly. 100 times more effective than shooting trapping and snaring. poison was often dropped from planes. and yes wolves have killed humans in north America. and Europe and Asia. coyotes have killed humans in north America!!! the antis do there best to have it called something else such as the incident in sask. or it its unconfirmed as they say......
Here's a list. More adults than children. I found this one very interesting:
List of wolf attacks in North America said:
XX Moosehead XX
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Culls have become necessary yes. Let's not forget the ubundance of pressure put on those game animals from hunting.
Like I said, I'm no expert. Killing just because you can, just isn't right. There are wildlife biologists working on the issues everyday. They have all the necessary information and research. We don't. Let them do their jobs. They don't need our help.
