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How in God's name did this thread get from making a stainless double for north coast use to a discussion on the merits of an SKS.............How could anyone consider an SKS as a client loaner rifle for goats and grizzly.
Now I'm just going to "bite my tongue" so to speak, and not put into words what I am thinking right now...........this is where I used to get into trouble voicing my opinion of those who would ask such a question or make such a suggestion, on a thread like this.............
Now I'm just going to "bite my tongue" so to speak, and not put into words what I am thinking right now...........this is where I used to get into trouble voicing my opinion of those who would ask such a question or make such a suggestion, on a thread like this.............
The guy just ask how a SKS Holds up On the coast I thout it was a fair question
For a boat rifle a SKS is not bad you know that in a few months the rifle is getting tossed overboard
Just like we use to do with the le enfields
Ardent never told us which rifle he is going to go with for the 7mm ?
How did it go from Ruger or Winchester 7mm to a new rifle company building stainless doubles?
Well C.N. let's see..........Ardent as the OP of this thread, expressed an interest in a stainless double as a viable firearm for HIS needs in such an environment. I, as a double lover as well, expanded on his statement. Nothing to say a double could not be in a high stepping 7mm or 30 cal, so his slight change of course (in his thread) has merit.
You know C.N. I'm not sure what exactly you think it is that I have done to you, but you seem to always want to take the exact opposite stance, on any topic on which I may express an opinion. My position is that I like to read and participate in threads that are on firearms and topics that interest me, and that stay more or less along the original lines. Therefore any discussion of a military, wood stocked, carbon steel, semi-automatic rifle chambered for the 7.62X39 cartridge, in a thread originally asking about opinions on stainless steel, synthetic stocked hunting rifles for goats and grizzlies, leaves me somewhat at a loss as to the relevance of such a question. Considering that there are forums devoted exclusively to this type of firearm, would this query not be better suited to that forum?
It's been an interesting thread
as I get older I find I pick rifles fore A particular hunt
I am happy with my choices for my Basic set up for moose and deer etc.
Now i want to move into the ultralight rifle and equipment for the long hikes
I never could afford it when I was younger That light weight crap gets expensive quick Haahaa
Not that I'm looking for a low-end equipment
I bin looking at the Kimber rifles and Seek outdoors equipment .
Like Ardent I have to think about caliber very seriously not that I would pick a 7mm but it has to be a caliber where I can pick up ammo anywhere
Ardent your timing for this thread has been pretty good and has got me thinking haahaa
Might be time to start a new thread on ultralight hunting
as I get older I find I pick rifles fore A particular hunt
I am happy with my choices for my Basic set up for moose and deer etc.
Now i want to move into the ultralight rifle and equipment for the long hikes
I never could afford it when I was younger That light weight crap gets expensive quick Haahaa
Not that I'm looking for a low-end equipment
I bin looking at the Kimber rifles and Seek outdoors equipment .
Like Ardent I have to think about caliber very seriously not that I would pick a 7mm but it has to be a caliber where I can pick up ammo anywhere
Ardent your timing for this thread has been pretty good and has got me thinking haahaa
Might be time to start a new thread on ultralight hunting
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p.Rundle
CGN frequent flyer
I look at forums as a discussion, and in face to face human discussions, the topic changes, but usually relates to an original discussion point. This forum started as "Hey, I live in an environment that destroys most guns, what do you guys think of the contenders for a new guide gun?" Along with the fact that Ardent pretty well knew what he was going to get, I'd say this thread was started to get people talking. So a lot of this thread has been spent talking about shotguns, and even the OP posted pictures of his and seemed happy with the discussion. So I asked what'd happen to the most commonly owned semi auto in our country, the SKS, where he lives. I'm not trying to swing the thread from the original topic, because that was ended like 6 pages ago. I'm curious about the resilience of various firearms in his climate. I live in Calgary, which means I don't get a lot of exposure to salt water mist and the like and I appreciate the experience and opinions of someone who does.
I also do not advocate using an SKS for grizzly.
Don't take it as a personal attack. It isn't. I respect your opinion. I always have. I agree with much of what you post. I don't agree with all of it however. That isn't going to change.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rundle all good, we also catch you don't hunt, or at least not widely. There are a ton of things I don't do I'm sure you do, so no judgement here. We do have fun with the "SKS" crowd in the hunting forum and it's not snobbery. To illustrate my particular challenges, I need weatherproof, simple rifles with a 500 yard feasible range and far, far better ballistics than a 7.62x39 can provide. While the SKS may be simple in semi auto terms it's ridiculously complicated in hunting rifle terms, heavy, rust prone, and far too anemic. It'd do well in simpler hunting and places however, so this is not to say you can't hunt with it. Also, if you give a client who's paid a year or three's disposable income for many folks an SKS to go hunt his grizzly I'd expect them to throw it in the ocean and walk away, if I didn't get the bayonet first.
Shotguns can work as the guide's gun because they're cheap, a 3" slug offers a lot more power at close stopping ranges than a 7.62x39, and they're simple and versatile. Not my first choice at all but I had Hoytcanon assistant guiding with a good Ruger available, or the client's .300. This is a long winded reply but wanted to show the hunting forum isn't a bunch of snobs, the reasons traditional (and boring) choices survive like 1898 technology bolt guns is they work extremely well and offer lots of advantages. Many on the more shooting and guns minded side of the crowd presume we're traditionalists happy behind the times. In reality better tools for hunting just haven't been developed yet when weight, simplicity, power, and price are factored.
To continue our meandering I tried a Modern Hunter and wrote a blurb on it, it's great at being a quality accurate semi but it is stil too heavy, too trajectory and power limited, and too complicated to enter serious use as a dedicated traveling hunter's rifle. It has its niches, hogs and coyotes, volume stuff with fast follow ups, as could the SKS. But on premium big game hunts with high demands of the rifles you'll find most semis and many cartridges wash out.
http://www.morrisonarms.com/2015/11/the-atrs-modern-hunter-made-in-canada-as-good-as-that-sounds/
Shotguns can work as the guide's gun because they're cheap, a 3" slug offers a lot more power at close stopping ranges than a 7.62x39, and they're simple and versatile. Not my first choice at all but I had Hoytcanon assistant guiding with a good Ruger available, or the client's .300. This is a long winded reply but wanted to show the hunting forum isn't a bunch of snobs, the reasons traditional (and boring) choices survive like 1898 technology bolt guns is they work extremely well and offer lots of advantages. Many on the more shooting and guns minded side of the crowd presume we're traditionalists happy behind the times. In reality better tools for hunting just haven't been developed yet when weight, simplicity, power, and price are factored.
To continue our meandering I tried a Modern Hunter and wrote a blurb on it, it's great at being a quality accurate semi but it is stil too heavy, too trajectory and power limited, and too complicated to enter serious use as a dedicated traveling hunter's rifle. It has its niches, hogs and coyotes, volume stuff with fast follow ups, as could the SKS. But on premium big game hunts with high demands of the rifles you'll find most semis and many cartridges wash out.
http://www.morrisonarms.com/2015/11/the-atrs-modern-hunter-made-in-canada-as-good-as-that-sounds/
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p.Rundle
CGN frequent flyer
Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it. I don't hunt, yet, but I got a sporterized P14 that I cleaned up a bit and refinished and hope to take a deer with next year. The SKS is probably only good as a hunting rifle for whitetails inside of 75 meters, so yeah, not what I'd take on an expensive hunt (or guide any hunt with) especially with dangerous game afoot. You are a great source of info for durability of firearms though, so I appreciate the response. Do you have any thoughts on duracoat or cerakote?
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'm very, very sorely tempted to buy an M77, M70, and M700 all in SS and abuse them for three seasons of salt, rain, downslope tumbles and clients, and write about the results at the end. Weird science that you just don't get the opportunity to do that many times in life, just expensive.
p.Rundle
CGN frequent flyer
Ok Ardent, I'll bite and I will supply the 700 stainless...........I know you could never bring yourself to buy one. I have a 700 SPSS in 300 RUM, it shoots well and what I can do, is load you 100 rounds of 200 gn ABs @3000 fps to equal the 300 WM. Wouldn't want to overwhelm your clients with the 3300 fps I'm getting with it.
I'll even put a stiffener rod in the forend and look into the Mod 70 safety conversion if you're serious. In your position though I would insist that the client carry with an empty chamber..........even with a 3 position safety. I do want the rifle back, of course, but I would be interested to see just how well it would stand up to your environment and usage. I will not supply a scope though, that one is on you, but I will supply bases and rings.
All I ask is that you keep the locking lugs well lubed and replace the bullets and brass and any breakage on the rifle.
There is always my ultra light 300 WSM in my Ti 700 with the Brown Precision kevlar stock, but I have over 4K in that one and I'm not inclined to lend it out, sorry...........
I'll even put a stiffener rod in the forend and look into the Mod 70 safety conversion if you're serious. In your position though I would insist that the client carry with an empty chamber..........even with a 3 position safety. I do want the rifle back, of course, but I would be interested to see just how well it would stand up to your environment and usage. I will not supply a scope though, that one is on you, but I will supply bases and rings.
All I ask is that you keep the locking lugs well lubed and replace the bullets and brass and any breakage on the rifle.
There is always my ultra light 300 WSM in my Ti 700 with the Brown Precision kevlar stock, but I have over 4K in that one and I'm not inclined to lend it out, sorry...........
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Only one reason I can come up with.
Repeat customer that was a pain the butt first time around and
tipped very poorly.
