Why such a cult following for Colt Canada / Diemaco ?
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mebiuspower
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Morontario
Nope. More like charging $70,000 for a Honda Civic.
mebiuspower
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Morontario
You mean the production secrets of how to make those $130 ambi charging handle that bites everyone's fingers?
I'm sure BCM or DD would love to know!!!
^ That sum funny ch!t right there.... hahahahahahah
I thought I overpaid at IOP prices. Now they are plain gouging people.
With that said I just dropped 3600 for an APC556 lol.... hahahahahah
But at least its not a paperweight.... hehehehehehe
Ar180shooter
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- Ottawa, ON
If CC's are so overpriced, why do a good number of police, special forces and military use them? Why don't we see them using DD's and BCM's, etc? Is it just because they don't bid on contracts? If so, why is this? Wouldn't these shops want in on lucrative military contracts?
People think the civilian market is overpaying, not Mil or Leo. Personally I just compare Colt USA to Colt Canada and see what local US is paying for their inferior version and think we are getting shafted a little. But that is business guys and really their stuff is exactly what I want in an AR. Are there better deals you can get in some ways, possibly, that being said the MRR prices are crazy.
When you are importing from the US or Europe the prices make sense in most instances but considering they are made in Kitchener Ontario it is expensive. I would say 25% price hike. But that is Capitalism so vote with your dollars. If I was in the market and had the spare cash I would be buying more CC products and I will over the years but I'm not rushing out for them just yet.
You know, someone should make a copy paste for every time this comes up. I'd like to see CC do it themselves, but they don't have a civilian marketing department/person, so I am not counting on them.
Why Colt Canada? Lets define the requirement:
-Do you prefer Canadian built?
-How accurate do you really need to be?
-What are your expectations for reliability?
And yes:
-How much money are you willing to spend?
While most Canadians would likely prefer to buy from a Canadian manufacturer, they won't at any cost.
Locally very few people will shoot their rifles beyond 200m. Does it really matter if their rifle is 2-4 MOA capable, versus 1-2MOA capable? Not really, especially when people will typically run whatever cheapest ammo they can find anyways.
If all you are doing is shooting groups, at best, or plinking, at worst, why would you really care about reliability? It's not like mismatched parts are going to costs you points on the match, or potentially your life.
We saw the 6920 go from unobtanium and $2500 not that long ago, to absolutely astonishing low prices and readily available. The prices are going back up due to the dollar, but a 6920 is still almost half of a Colt Canada rifle. As much as I love my CC stuff, I don't see a C8 being twice the rifle a 6920 is.
So in the end a CC rifle isn't that great a value, but it does have it's place. I do wish CC would get their civilian sales and marketing out of its ass, but at this point I have given up.
Why Colt Canada? Lets define the requirement:
-Do you prefer Canadian built?
-How accurate do you really need to be?
-What are your expectations for reliability?
And yes:
-How much money are you willing to spend?
While most Canadians would likely prefer to buy from a Canadian manufacturer, they won't at any cost.
Locally very few people will shoot their rifles beyond 200m. Does it really matter if their rifle is 2-4 MOA capable, versus 1-2MOA capable? Not really, especially when people will typically run whatever cheapest ammo they can find anyways.
If all you are doing is shooting groups, at best, or plinking, at worst, why would you really care about reliability? It's not like mismatched parts are going to costs you points on the match, or potentially your life.
We saw the 6920 go from unobtanium and $2500 not that long ago, to absolutely astonishing low prices and readily available. The prices are going back up due to the dollar, but a 6920 is still almost half of a Colt Canada rifle. As much as I love my CC stuff, I don't see a C8 being twice the rifle a 6920 is.
So in the end a CC rifle isn't that great a value, but it does have it's place. I do wish CC would get their civilian sales and marketing out of its ass, but at this point I have given up.
WinterHawk
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- Toronto, Ontario
Colt Canada/Diemaco is just a well made rifle that exceeds US Military Spec, and for most of our lives you couldn't buy one for love or money. And now we can buy something uniquely Canadian, and that's part of the appeal.
Can you shoot with a Norco just as easily as a Diemaco, sure. Can you buy an AR15 for less, yes you can. Can you pay more, hell ya. But at the end of the day, I wouldn't trade my Diemaco SA20 for anything.
Can you shoot with a Norco just as easily as a Diemaco, sure. Can you buy an AR15 for less, yes you can. Can you pay more, hell ya. But at the end of the day, I wouldn't trade my Diemaco SA20 for anything.
Take two relatively basic, but exceedingly well made monolithic ARs, designed and manufactured for largely military and law enforcement procurement.
Stamp the name LMT into the lower on one and Canadians won't bat a freaking eye at the price tag. It's exotic. It's LMT. Can I haz more, Canadians will ask.
Stamp Colt Canada in the other, give it pretty much the same price tag, and everyone loses their freaking mind.
And if you doubt the validity of that claim look at who holds the patent that's laser engraved into all the MRR uppers.
Stamp the name LMT into the lower on one and Canadians won't bat a freaking eye at the price tag. It's exotic. It's LMT. Can I haz more, Canadians will ask.
Stamp Colt Canada in the other, give it pretty much the same price tag, and everyone loses their freaking mind.
And if you doubt the validity of that claim look at who holds the patent that's laser engraved into all the MRR uppers.
I just wanted US prices for Canada from Colt Canada. A little higher would be understandable and make sense. But $1699 for an upper?? Get real.. Its not being imported and their are no currency exchange differences that add a lot in final cost. I was expecting $1599 for a full rifle, per $1099 for an upper?? When I spoke to the reps at CC they said the prices would not be anywhere near what they are..
there is no dd rifle in canada un 1965$ why are you expecting a lower price than dd?
You can't expect Colt USA pricing from Colt Canada; besides one owning the other they're entirely different companies. You may as well expect FN prices from Colt Canada or HK prices from Daniel Defense.
Also, for everyone saying "there's no import duty, it shouldn't cost as much as imported options," have you seen Ontario's power prices? Have you considered where the aluminium and steel Colt Canada uses comes from? What about labour costs in Ontario versus a foreign country with less taxes? What about the overhead costs associated with being a strategic installation in Canada? The costs of maintaining their NATO AQAP certification? This is not a cheap country to run a business nor employ people in, and it's even harder on gun companies.
one sells hundreds of thousands of rifles at wallmart
the other sells a handful to a very small niche market
volume goes a long way in minimizing manufacturing costs
These are valid points but in all fairness doesn't Colt Canada a company heavily subsidized buy our Government have many of these costs significantly down, because explain the cost they sell these rifles to LEO and MIl, because many Police agencies are paying a lot less than we are, and they are in many cases only ordering a few rifles at best.
Not to mention R&D is should be a minimal at this point.
As for FNH or HK, no I wouldn't because one is made in Germany and the other Belgium unless FNH USA so that doesn't make sense. DD is made in the US like FNH.
Colt Canada and Colt USA is a very close comparison, hence why they changed the name. From my understanding from people in the industry Colt USA VS Colt Canada rifles are like a 10% difference in superiority for Colt Canada favor.
Completely true but from what I personally witnessed the LE around here paying from Colt Canada that doesn't make sense when ordering just 2 rifles. Doesn't add up. A small company locally selling to Canadian citizens, it is a lot in price.
