Timney Trigger, Lilja Barrel, JP Buffer... these are not quality components to you?
Curious as to what your choice for a NR 3 Gun rifle would be? Or did you just come here to troll as well?
NR 3 gun options?
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Timney Trigger, Lilja Barrel, JP Buffer... these are not quality components to you?
Curious as to what your choice for a NR 3 Gun rifle would be? Or did you just come here to troll as well?
Those are proven quality components, yes. The quality of the rifle as a whole?
Just because someone asks a question or states a fact doesnt mean they are trolling. I stated I dont see any comments on quality NOR comments on the absence of quality, I just dont see any reviews at all. Thats fair.
I'd run a tavor if I was stuck on an NR 3gun platform, lots of people do it. I'm pretty quick with mine lots of people here can attest to that as well.
Maybe private matches private property on crown land? But then what about insurance? Or maybe the OP doesnt have his rpal, but then how would he do the pistol section? So that doesnt make sense.
Honestly when I play I run my custom 18 inch cc noveske, my ben m4 and my cz orange. But thats just me, youcan run anything you want, just courses are offered on ARs, semi handguns, and semi shotguns, so you wont find much training on your equipment if you don't run that equipment.
Maybe he can hear the quality.
Fair enough. Tavor is certainly an interesting rifle, though I have yet to see anyone be truly competitive with one either in Canada or stateside. Its all fun and games though so have at it if that's what floats your boat! Hard to *prove* quality one way or the other on an internet forumn, can't exactly look up the consumer reports page on the MV... personally I find my MV to be of excelent quality. If we are talking specifically the receiver set... it blows my Daniel Defense and XCR out of the water. Tight fit, threaded pins instead of roll pins for things like the bolt release, charging handle track is nitrided steel and could be removed/replaced in the unlikely event it were damaged... Comparable to any high end AR-15 Billet set. Matched up with the quality components I guess I'm not really sure what else someone would need to assess quality?
Some qualities come to mind:
Failure to feed
Failure to extract/eject
Failure to fire
Probability of gun exploding in your face
Durability of equipment, length of life
Consistency of operation
I've run some ARs with top quality components, some still exploded in my face.
Just watch lord of war, when they make the cash register Sound with the AK cycling that is how it is.
The higher the quality, the bigger the caliber and the more expensive the ammo the louder the cha ching noise gets, people take notice lol
Those are not really measurable qualities of a rifle per se, but I can comment as far as my MV goes anyways...
~750 rounds in on mine, zero issues. Shot with Pmags, LAR, ATRS and beo's. Shot 350 rounds in the desert at Surefire with no cleaning or maintenance of any kind. Got it so hot it was uncomfortable to hold the hand guard (gotta love regular capacity mags) with no noticeable degradation in function or accuracy. As far as I am concerned it will basically operate/last the same as any other DI AR-15 type rifle.
What caused the AR's in question to explode in your face? Hardly fair to blame a rifle for bad mags, overcharged rounds, lack of maintenance etc...
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Those qualities are by what I and many many others quantify quality in a firearm, and yes they can be measured independantly of mags, overloaded rounds and improper maintenance, thats exactly why purchasing initiatives of armed services have qualifying proving rounds for suppliers of small arms. And that is why some suppliers fail those proving rounds. Some of it is bias, sure, but mostly it is a fair assessment.
As far as exploding ARs, mostly due to sh!t poor manufacturing of uppers and bcg.
Sounds like the mv is of quality from your experience.
Tough to find anything truly competitive with the ar for performance and price.
A tavor isn't as accurate, and has a weird recoil impulse that makes shooting fast and accurately more difficult.
The xcr is in the same boat, and even less accurate.
The m305, well hell, no chance in hell of being competitive, not even in heavy metal. Unless you're only up against one other guy, and if he has a 308 ar, you've lost.
A rebarreled acr is closest for accuracy, but it still has that heavy bolt carrier, piston operated "shake" built in to the recoil impulse.
As for the atrs offerings, I'm not sure it's a mature product yet.
A tavor isn't as accurate, and has a weird recoil impulse that makes shooting fast and accurately more difficult.
The xcr is in the same boat, and even less accurate.
The m305, well hell, no chance in hell of being competitive, not even in heavy metal. Unless you're only up against one other guy, and if he has a 308 ar, you've lost.
A rebarreled acr is closest for accuracy, but it still has that heavy bolt carrier, piston operated "shake" built in to the recoil impulse.
As for the atrs offerings, I'm not sure it's a mature product yet.
Wow, this thread got derailed in a hurry! Just because a guy likes his MV and shoots well with it, doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't have one needs to justify their position.
Simply going to add that the Swiss Arms rifles with the GS Design AR mag adapter is a viable (albeit pricy!) option as well. I shoot mine a lot more now that I can run Beo's in it!
Simply going to add that the Swiss Arms rifles with the GS Design AR mag adapter is a viable (albeit pricy!) option as well. I shoot mine a lot more now that I can run Beo's in it!
As far as BUDGET NR 3 guns go, the SU 16 Tactical is a pretty capable unit from my personal experience. Its lighter than a AR, more pointable and well balenced. Takes AR mags, has a mag release were an AR does and is threaded for AR muzzle brakes. It has a bolt hold open that can be easily modified to become a bolt release similar to that of a XCR.
If u have the budget to afford something more expensive then by all means go ahead, or buy an AR.
But for a NR budget under 2k, the SU 16 is definitely worth looking at. People in this thread will rant about them breaking cus there plastic. and maybe it will. But so far 600rnds down the pipe and nothing has happened and there is a lifetime warranty if something does.
If u have the budget to afford something more expensive then by all means go ahead, or buy an AR.
But for a NR budget under 2k, the SU 16 is definitely worth looking at. People in this thread will rant about them breaking cus there plastic. and maybe it will. But so far 600rnds down the pipe and nothing has happened and there is a lifetime warranty if something does.
umm, did you watch a different video than i did? The spotters were calling his hits in the video and close to half of his shots from the first two positions didnt hit if i counted right.
Doesn't prove much about accuracy of the rifle though
Lol, listen to this tough guy
. Even with the 20 seconds in penalties from the missed clays due to my questionable counting ability I managed to best guys like John McLain, Mark Zeibart and Taran Butler on this stage . Regarding the long range shooting specifically, there were 5 targets at 300+ meters on the hill, and the only one I missed from either position was the 5th one. After 100 shooters it was so shot up I couldn't actually see the plate until dust from a miss kicked up behind it highlighting its position. There was some slight confusion on the left side as I accidentally engaged the second target first, and then engaged it again on the way back across... if you listen close you will hear the report from the second shot on #2 hitting steel. No hit called as I had already engaged it, so actually I scored 6 hits on the second position. OP: sorry for the thread derail. For the record if you were unsure of what to get for 3 gun, an inexpensive AR was the right choice. Don't go dropping $3000+ on a rifle unless you are sure it is what you want.
