Help: German Soldier ID

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Winchester-1897 said:
I visited the Abbaye Ardenne in 2014 where Kurt Meyer of the 12th SS murdered our Soldiers. I also visited a Family friends Sons grave at Beny sur mer along with my Uncles in 2014. He was with the Winnipeg Rifles and was machine gunned with several others on June 8th after they surrendered to the 12th. My Uncle was with the QOR and made it till July 9th at the fall of Caan.

Meyer did a total of 10 years of a sentence reduced from death. He and all the ones like him should have been rounded up and shot in my opinion.
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His sentence was commuted because of pressure from ALLIED CO's amd Generals who faught against him and admitted that if he should be out to death for prisoners being killed then so should they because they rightfully believed that the rule if law applied to the victor as well as the vanquished. The Allies shot prisoners too so you better start rounding up the Allies as well during your moral crusade.....
 
KePet said:
If you look close bullets aren't pointed in, just the loose end that has "turned over". All the rest are bullets out
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I know that, end piece is all twisted around y-strap which is undone btw and equipment belt is really low, plus he's got a handgun out of the holster. For sure, this guy just went through something really unpleasant. It's pretty hard to undo properly set y-straps from the belt. You really have to pull it down to undo the hooks unless you take off the belt, even than it still stays in place half of the time. Sometimes I put entire rig down and manage to put it back on without hooks coming off. His load bearing system is messed up and German WW2 load bearing equipment needs to be setup in one specific manner in order to work. They worn equipment belts really high compared to other armies, about 7 inches above waist line for a 6 foot tall person. If belt is loo low or too loose it will open up and entire system will come apart. Common mistake among newbies when it comes to WW2 reenactment. Most people will find properly set equipment belt/y-straps to be uncomfortable at first, so they set it up a bit loose or low and end up stopping to collect all their field gear after first 20 meter sprint during tactical event :)
 
Rayleigh_Scattering said:
>second or third button of a tunic or in a boot

Is that what that pattern of holes at the hip of the uniform coat was for?
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Are you talking about sets of small round round holes placed around the tunic? If so than it was made to insert metal hooks in order to support equipment belt. Tunic has internal suspenders, hooks attach to that and than ends come out to support all the field gear on the equipment belt. Looks like this. https://www.atthefront.com/v/vspfiles/photos/guais-3.jpg

That's what hooks like like. http://www.atthefrontshop.com/product_p/guabh.htm
 
JDForBrkFst said:
Thanks for the pics of that, I recently read about the internal suspenders built into the tunic. I read that most soldiers didn't like them much and that they did away with the in the 43 ? tunic upgrade.
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Internal suspenders were designed to be used with early model tunics, before y-straps were introduced. There were still four pieces of material that looks like a belt on the inside of M43 to attach the hooks while SS dot 44 tunics only had two of those pieces on the sides. Suspenders and belt hooks is a love or hate thing. Some people prefer hooks and suspenders over y-straps, some people hate them. I use both, y-straps and hooks for my late war setup. Sometimes I don't want to have every single piece of equipment on my belt, times when we go out at night for patrols, prisoner snatches or night ambushes. We ditch all heavy/noisy/unnecessary equipment. Helmets, gas mask cans, e-tools, mess kits etc. Just bayonet, ammo pouches, bread bag and canteen. Belt hooks work great for supporting all that without need to use tight y-straps. When person sleeps on the ground for several days with the uniform on it's completely different story. Than those things become annoying as hell.
 
Recce21 said:
His sentence was commuted because of pressure from ALLIED CO's amd Generals who faught against him and admitted that if he should be out to death for prisoners being killed then so should they because they rightfully believed that the rule if law applied to the victor as well as the vanquished. The Allies shot prisoners too so you better start rounding up the Allies as well during your moral crusade.....
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Prisoners were shot out of hand by all sides in WW2. The difference being that on the German side(SS) orders were actually given to kill POW's. Allied cases of shooting prisoners were isolated acts in the heat of the moment NOT official policy. George Patton actually commented that he considered American soldiers taking German prisoners who minutes earlier had been killing them an "act of folly". A dumb statement for a general officer to make to me because men who know they have no option of surrendering will fight to the end causing many more casualties.
I have read several accounts by German soldiers at the Battle of Falaise who said that they wanted to surrender but "it was too difficult."
 
Mike Webb said:
The difference being that on the German side(SS) orders were actually given to kill POW's. Allied cases of shooting prisoners were isolated acts in the heat of the moment NOT official policy.
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I'm afraid that is not an accurate statement. There exists an authentic, documented written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stating: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight."

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Brookwood said:
I'm afraid that is not an accurate statement. There exists an authentic, documented written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stating: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight."

Brookwood
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nothing wrong with that order.
 
Brookwood said:
I'm afraid that is not an accurate statement. There exists an authentic, documented written order from the HQ of the 328th US Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stating: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but will be shot on sight."

Brookwood
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I may be all wrong but I think the order to shoot Germans who surrendered at the Bulge referred to those who were wearing American uniforms.
 
Couldn't imagine... Yet crimes continue today in the Middle East.

Here is an interesting pic supposedly of the eastern front.

 
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