Testing Criteria for Take Down, back pack, hiking and survival 22 cal rifles

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What would be your Testing Criteria for Take Down, back pack, hiking and survival 22 cal rifles?

I ask because i picked up a Little Badger a couple years back and ive been intreged with these little "pack 22's" since then.
so much so that with a bit of extra cash laying around and a desire to play this long cold winter i started taking steps towards securing a couple more of them in different brands.
now while i wont be able to get every 'pack 22' on the market i thought id pick up 4 at the very least and run them through some tests to see which one if any stands out of the pack as being better and why.

so my question is this:
what would you like to see done to some of these pack 22's to test them out?

here is what i have so far.
im picking up 4 of them.
1) Chiappa Little Badger (already have)
2) Henry AR7 (ordered earlier this week)
3) Ruger Take Down - base model (plan to order one in the morning when i get to work)
4) Marlin 70PSS 'Papoose' (still waiting for one to come on sale - hope is boxing day??)

what im going to be testing (my list so far)
1) going to tare them right down and go over construction - design and build material. can do this in my shop over winter and take my time. maybe comparing weight and size and compactness and such.
2) shooting - i thought id season each gun by picking up a brick of CCI blazer and hammering out 500 rounds through each one. not in one sitting of course but take one out and spend a afternoon hammering out 500 rounds and cycle through each one till they all go through 500 rounds. that should give a good introduction to each gun and bring forth any errors if any.
3) from there i dont know what else to do.....
im kinda leaning towards some mild torture testing????

water test?
im kinda thinking maybe a cold weather element test??
into a rubbermaid tub full of snow over night (-30) and then straight out into firing to see if anything messes up?
maybe doing a little mud and dirt testing? same as above, introduce gun to mud and then see if it will run?

my thinking was to see if the guns would actually hold up for what they are marketed for, hiking and survival and such.

ive seen a couple videos and read some articles on all these guns but i havnt seen anything that has pointed me towards one and not the others.
all the articles i have digested all kind of hinge on stuff that isnt important too me.
magazine size, how pretty they are, if they are threaded barreled and other such silliness.

i dont know, anyone have anything they think would be interesting to see?
anything that youve been wanting compared between them to help you buy one if you are or where in the market for a pack 22??

at the end of this test all 4 guns will be kept and used for specific areas in my life so its not like im dropping $1500 just for boredom's sake.... but i kinda am, haha!

no really though, i have the little badger for my Quad when im out trail riding and hunting - its my plinker.
i want a AR7 for my boat as i spend a lot of my summer out on remote lakes and rivers in northern alberta and NWT and such.
my ruger/papoose is where i was torn up because i wanted a big bigger take down gun than my lil' badger and i was really leaning towards the Ruger as im a 10/22 fan boy but i am also the kinda guy that likes to get the best tool for the job - so my dilemma that im at now and have been for the last year - ruger or marlin.

so why not have some fun and test them both out and chuck the 2 others into the mix!

anyways, long post - post if you can think of anything i can or should test while looking at these 4 guns over the next couple months.

Chiappa Little Badger
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Henry US Survival AR7 Rifle - Base Model Black
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Ruger 10/22 Take Down Base Model - stainless all weather
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Marlin 70PSS all weather stainless
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maybe how they each work with bulk ammo compared to hot stuff like Velocitors?
and maybe how they run shooting sub sonic stuff? (some guys like sub sonic because its quieter for survival purposes, no?)
 
i overlooked the obvious - ACCURACY!

maybe before i begin element testing and after the 500 round break in i should do some accuracy testing.

with and without optics?
im thinking maybe picking up 4 cheap optics that are the same, thoughts?

maybe a good old $60 Bushnell 3x9x32?
 
If it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and the bullets land where the sights are pointed, I'm pretty happy. A heavy or gritty trigger is off-putting though. The rest is a matter of taste/preferences.

You could try mounting a scope and checking if it returns to zero after takedown.
 
If it goes bang every time I pull the trigger, and the bullets land where the sights are pointed, I'm pretty happy. A heavy or gritty trigger is off-putting though. The rest is a matter of taste/preferences.

You could try mounting a scope and checking if it returns to zero after takedown.

i was thinking about that.
 
Tagged for interest. I picked up a Lil' Badger a couple of months ago on a whim at a gun show and like OP have caught the backpacker bug.

Maybe test out their packability. Start out with a standard day pack size backpack, you know out for the day for a hike type, with what you would normally pack for such an outting. Then break each rifle down and see how they fit in the pack with the alloted supplies.

Could also test how fast each is to make ready. Pack on to rifle out and ready to fire.

 
Are the pieces easy to lose?
If damaged does the construction tend itself to workshop repairs?
Can it be fired with mitts or gloves?
If you break / lose / redesign something, are pieces readily available on line and available to Canadians?

From what I've heard, the AR7 is made to be sold and plenty of owners give up on them over unreliability.
 
home for lunch and came to check in, im liking the questions!

i was kinda concerned that i was getting a little too eccentric by doing this but it does me good to see some interest from others..... so i cant be that crazy, right!
 
I can only comment on the Ruger TD. I have one with the doohickey on the muzzle. Just what was on it, no other reason. I have a cheap Tasco red dot on it. I carried it every day on the combine, and on the tractor doing fall work. It took a pretty good beating, getting bounced from its spot leaning in the corner of the cab and landing on the floor. I put it together and took it apart each day. Haven't tried it for zero after that, but that test would say more about the Tasco than the rifle.

It seems to be a sturdy setup. I think the others listed might be better suited as a "survival" rifle. Interested in following this thread!
 
so i cant be that crazy, right!

Certainly not any crazier than the rest of us. If anything it is a great excuse to get out and fiddle with guns. Nothing crazy about that. Admittedly a little jealous I am not taking part, sounds like fun. These pack rifles always draw my attention. They are quirky and that's what makes them interesting.
 
I have an AR-7 that's at least 30 years old and never been fired outside the factory. I can't stand the ergonomics of this gun and never had the desire to even try shooting it. The concept is cool but if I ever need a survival gun it wont likely be this one because I don't think to take it along with me anywhere. I'm interested to see the results of your comparison testing tho.
 
little bagder - check!
AR7 - Ordered and shipping as we speak!
Ruger TD - Ordered today awaiting shipping email
Papoose - still awaiting a sale price.

a damn Glock got in my way today or i probably would have ordered that Papoose just so i can start this fun test out..... damn Glocks!
 
To throw another into the fire, I love my JW15-13". The thing just shoots so well for what it is.

I really like the idea of the... was it a henry? The 12 gauge that you can put the pistol cartridge inserts into it, with the 22 chamber underneath it? That thing (if it functions) would be a great surviv rifle. Ill look up what it is in a minute.
 
IMOH, the Ar-7 is an inaccurate piece of junk. The first time I saw one in action, I out-shot it by a very wide margin with a circa 1935 Winchester Model 67. If you want an (acceptably and repeatably) accurate rifle that will ensure your "survival", get an old (good condition) Cooey 75, Winchester 67, CIL Anschutz, or one of the newer Savages.
 
I don't see the need for a submerge in mud kind of test, since if you submerge your gun in mud you deserve all you get. Temperature extremes are a great idea, maybe subzero, warm room for condensation and subzero. Accuracy is probably the main thing, even if you have to load one round at a time it would still be useful.
My only takedown is a Browning SA22, but it is a great idea to do a test, thanks.
 
Here's some criteria,

Weight
Size
Accuracy
Rate of Fire
Magazine capacity
Time from stowed to Ready to Fire.
Quality of Sights and Scope mounting options
Weather resistance and general maintenance
Carry Options
Aftermarket support
Customer support
Purchase Price
 
Update!

little badger - check!
AR7 - ARRIVED TODAY!
Ruger TD - ARRIVED TODAY!
Papoose - still awaiting a sale price - if anyone sees one on sale over Christmas let me know!!.
 
Update!

little badger - check!
AR7 - ARRIVED TODAY!
Ruger TD - ARRIVED TODAY!
Papoose - still awaiting a sale price - if anyone sees one on sale over Christmas let me know!!.

Best price i can find for a Papoose is in the 400$-450$ range right now. If i find something better i'll for sure let you know as i'm quite interested in your test. :cheers:
 
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