4 moose shot

stubblejumper said:
My ancestors were vikings, looting and pillaging were part of our cultural heritage, yet our laws prevent me from dong those things.
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This message board loves to blame "canadadian indians" for all of canadas problems. Its pretty pathetic. If its our fault that the moose population is dwindling, maybe the hypocrits forgot to take into consideration, all the big bulls that are taken during the hunting season by non first nations. Theres truck loads of non aboriginal hunters in the area that Im from during the hunting season (more than locals in fact), and theres a few that tend to take moose antlers, and leave. Lets not forget about people like that, and that it also takes a bull to make a calf.

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Jeronimoe83 said:
This message board loves to blame "canadadian indians" for all of canadas problems. Its pretty pathetic. If its our fault that the moose population is dwindling, maybe the hypocrits forgot to take into consideration, all the big bulls that are taken during the hunting season by non first nations. Theres truck loads of non aboriginal hunters in the area that Im from during the hunting season (more than locals in fact), and theres a few that tend to take moose antlers, and leave. Lets not forget about people like that, and that it also takes a bull to make a calf.

Rant over.
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Yep there's truckloads that go up every year and don't even see sign of moose as well.
 
Jeronimoe83 said:
This message board loves to blame "canadadian indians" for all of canadas problems. Its pretty pathetic. If its our fault that the moose population is dwindling, maybe the hypocrits forgot to take into consideration, all the big bulls that are taken during the hunting season by non first nations. Theres truck loads of non aboriginal hunters in the area that Im from during the hunting season (more than locals in fact), and theres a few that tend to take moose antlers, and leave. Lets not forget about people like that, and that it also takes a bull to make a calf.

Rant over.
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One bull can impregnate several cows per season.........

I personally don't blame natives for the moose decline...... but I'd blame them for knowing there is a decline and massacring a whole family like this......
 
The government should teach the Indians how to raise hogs or cattle.
They are more sustainable and practical.
 
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stubblejumper said:
My ancestors were vikings, looting and pillaging were part of our cultural heritage, yet our laws prevent me from dong those things.
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Maybe this is the crux of the whole issue.What was once acceptable and a way of life no longer can be sustainable.The early settlers ,as well as farming,would hunt and fish without much regulation because it was important for survival.As the population expanded and the food supplies produced by the people became more reliable, hunting and fishing were less important for survival and we simply could not continue harvesting without controls.This can certainly apply to First Nations.Regulations for everyone to insure a sustainable resource or soon there will not be a resource for any group.
 
thorslund said:
Maybe this is the crux of the whole issue.What was once acceptable and a way of life no longer can be sustainable.The early settlers ,as well as farming,would hunt and fish without much regulation because it was important for survival.As the population expanded and the food supplies produced by the people became more reliable, hunting and fishing were less important for survival and we simply could not continue harvesting without controls.This can certainly apply to First Nations.Regulations for everyone to insure a sustainable resource or soon there will not be a resource for any group.
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Excellent response, we all need to adapt to the times, not just some of us.
 
Pariegh said:
What would happen if Canada broke the terms of the treaties? What if someone had the guts to say "enough, these treaties were supposed to be mutually beneficial to both parties, but now, since it is only beneficial to one side and is hindering the country's overall progress it is over. It's been a couple hundred years, take your lands which we now claim ownership of back if you feel you can."

Not that I recommend this sort of terrible politically incorrect action, (we aren't Russia [or Trump] here) and it won't happen, but hey, I'm just saying what if... I suspect a reduction of rights down to the same level as all other Canadians would do wonders in terms of increasing education levels, reducing crime and domestic violence, reducing the negative environmental impact, and completely eliminating said "racism".

Now for a bit of clarification, I spent a significant portion of my childhood growing up on a reserve. I know about the sleds and bicycles being chained inside our locked shed to prevent them from being stolen, from the beer bottles being thrown through the window of the van (twice), of the the neighbors getting drunk and screaming at each other at night. Of the neighbourhood kids coming over to make cookies, since if my family was really nice to them, they would respect our property. I know what it is like having the police swarm the street because the guy a few houses down was holding his baby hostage at gunpoint from his wife, I saw the terrified face of that mother when she showed up at our door to use the phone. While that situation was de-escalated at the time, he later committed suicide, so tell me how that was in any way successful.

The opening week of goose season there was no school, because none of the kids would be there anyways. The town was named after a big game animal that had long been hunted out of existence in that area. You would also hear about the rare occasion when a Polar bear would make it down the coast, because it had been shot. When working at a smaller reserve just north of there, my grandfather who worked in water treatment would regularly have kids throw rocks at them and their vehicles because they were "white" and not from there. Do you know what happens to brand new government funded school buildings and how long it takes for them to become trashed? I do.

While I realize that certainly not everyone of any background can be painted with the same brush, and some places are much better than others, I think something major needs to be done in order to rectify the overall needs of native people in Canada, because as it stands, something is very wrong at the core, and they either need help, or need to be left to fend for themselves. Anyway, whatever Canada has been trying to do for them, isn't working. I know many great people who are of native background, but they almost exclusively come from the hard working, tax paying, Canadian law abiding side, which unfortunately seems to be the exception, not the norm.
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Excellent post. Thank you. many good points here for sure...Thanks again for sharing...
 
Pariegh said:
What would happen if Canada broke the terms of the treaties? What if someone had the guts to say "enough, these treaties were supposed to be mutually beneficial to both parties, but now, since it is only beneficial to one side and is hindering the country's overall progress it is over. It's been a couple hundred years, take your lands which we now claim ownership of back if you feel you can."

Not that I recommend this sort of terrible politically incorrect action, (we aren't Russia [or Trump] here) and it won't happen, but hey, I'm just saying what if... I suspect a reduction of rights down to the same level as all other Canadians would do wonders in terms of increasing education levels, reducing crime and domestic violence, reducing the negative environmental impact, and completely eliminating said "racism".

Now for a bit of clarification, I spent a significant portion of my childhood growing up on a reserve. I know about the sleds and bicycles being chained inside our locked shed to prevent them from being stolen, from the beer bottles being thrown through the window of the van (twice), of the the neighbors getting drunk and screaming at each other at night. Of the neighbourhood kids coming over to make cookies, since if my family was really nice to them, they would respect our property. I know what it is like having the police swarm the street because the guy a few houses down was holding his baby hostage at gunpoint from his wife, I saw the terrified face of that mother when she showed up at our door to use the phone. While that situation was de-escalated at the time, he later committed suicide, so tell me how that was in any way successful.

The opening week of goose season there was no school, because none of the kids would be there anyways. The town was named after a big game animal that had long been hunted out of existence in that area. You would also hear about the rare occasion when a Polar bear would make it down the coast, because it had been shot. When working at a smaller reserve just north of there, my grandfather who worked in water treatment would regularly have kids throw rocks at them and their vehicles because they were "white" and not from there. Do you know what happens to brand new government funded school buildings and how long it takes for them to become trashed? I do.

While I realize that certainly not everyone of any background can be painted with the same brush, and some places are much better than others, I think something major needs to be done in order to rectify the overall needs of native people in Canada, because as it stands, something is very wrong at the core, and they either need help, or need to be left to fend for themselves. Anyway, whatever Canada has been trying to do for them, isn't working. I know many great people who are of native background, but they almost exclusively come from the hard working, tax paying, Canadian law abiding side, which unfortunately seems to be the exception, not the norm.
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What needs to be done is more Canadians like you need to start speaking out against the race baiting native lobby groups who continually demand funding as the solution to every ill.

BTW when I use the term natives I am not talking about guys like you, in my eyes you are a Canadian.
 
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Their not really natives anyway
They are descendants of Mongolians who walked over the Bering strait during the ice age.
Mongolia should be supporting them.
And in actuality the government shouldn't encourage them to hunt.
Their primitive nomadic existence as hunters and gatherers is the reason they didn't progress as s society and invent things like wheels , livestock domestication or written language.
 
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Jeronimoe83 said:
This message board loves to blame "canadadian indians" for all of canadas problems. Its pretty pathetic. If its our fault that the moose population is dwindling, maybe the hypocrits forgot to take into consideration, all the big bulls that are taken during the hunting season by non first nations. Theres truck loads of non aboriginal hunters in the area that Im from during the hunting season (more than locals in fact), and theres a few that tend to take moose antlers, and leave. Lets not forget about people like that, and that it also takes a bull to make a calf.

Rant over.
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If you kill a bull moose you loose a bull out of the population If you kill a cow you loose generations. There are charts all over explaining this in the current "safe the cow" campaign going on in the Province. (B.C.) One bull can breed many cows but a cow can only bred once per season.
 
I would like to apologize for ranting about racism. It's just a sore subject when you deal with it all your life and see a whole bunch of posts about first nations. I for one don't live on the reserve. I pay taxes like everyone else and actually contribute to society. So I get riled when all natives get generalized together. The problem with native life that nobody ever sees, is that when we actually do step up and try to make a difference, it gets buried. It's not important enough to make headlines. But yet somehow a little girl losing her dog is Millet is prime time news that it makes it on Global, CFRN and CBC. Five non-natives got caught poaching on my reserve but it didn't make the news. That's the way it goes. Even if their tribe was to punish them you won't hear about it. My reserve is the same way. We have done so much positive that no one will ever hear about it. But as soon as one crime is committed, it's front page news. Many times my tribal council has laid charges on a person and nothing gets done because the police won't enforce it. The whole problem with the scenario at hand is that the police didn't take the matter further, other than ticketing for an unlicensed firearm. It was even worse when they let them leave with the animals. The biggest mistake is that the land owner didn't lay charges. It's a crappy scenario that has happened far too many times. People just need to see the criminals for themselves. Not that they are natives. I'm just sick of seeing open racism towards first nations in Canada and no one bats an eye. But you say one thing about a black person and all of North America is on your *ss. The double standards are BS. All racism needs to end. The treaties are there, they aren't going anywhere. So complaining about the "Privileges", not Rights (I agree that they are privileges), isn't going to change anything. The crimes need to speak for themselves. Not the race of the criminal.
 
http://www.outdoorcanada.ca/How_unregulated_hunting_is_putting_Canadas_moose_at_risk

I read this article a while back about the dwindling moose populations. Good read, but the part that struck me the most was the following:

Governments at all levels, for example, will be unable to deliver on such obligations as those contained in paragraph 13 of the Natural Resources Transfer Agreement. That’s the 1930 document in which the federal government turned over responsibility of managing resources to the three Prairie provinces. In paragraph 13, it’s stated the provinces will guarantee First Nations the right to hunt and fish. If resources, such as healthy moose populations, are unavailable due to mismanagement, however, First Nations could conceivably sue governments for not living up to the agreement.
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So, they can continue to hunt with impunity, and the only thing governments can do is reduce the numbers that non-treaty Canadians are allowed to harvest. When one day that number reaches ZERO, and they still don't change their ways, then as has been stated before, the moose go the way of the dodo. And then, possibly the biggest kick in the balls of the whole situation, they can then SUE the governments for not managing their 'birthright'
 
wheres my treaty card ?

OH yea I Cant have one.... cause of my lack of race


join my ignore list, have a nice day

Sunchild2071 said:
There is regulation. It's not total free-for-all. Can you provide your source identifying that the hunt by indigenous persons is un-regulated.



And the buffalo did very well, when the settlers came.



Where did they get firearms? Settlers tricking them for their lands.

Everything that moves? Really? I'm sure no other race/culture does any of those things.

You should look at the times before the settlers came, and what the indigenous shared, and how the true traditionals maintained resources. What covenants and agreements that the settlers broke. Do you really think everthing is the way it is now, because of first nations peoples?



Elders should control them, you say. Maybe the elders of the other races who perpetuate the same actions, should control their younger, also. Awesome plan.



Statistical backup proving the assertion?



So you want the politicians to control a specific race/culture. But not you. Do I have that correct?

Anyone have a single, solid, verifiable statistic, showing that the indigenous poachers, are the root cause of the declines in ungulate populations, in a disproportionate amount as related to poachers of any other race/culture?

Indigenous/First Nations, as well as another number of race/cultures (Ukrainian, Chinese, shall I go on?), were systematically and disproportionately subject to treachery, mistreatment, false imprisonments, and torture, at the hands of those who came to these lands.

Don't like what is going on? Look at the real root of the problem. How things really came about to be like they are today.

Just like personal responsibility and accountability. If something is wrong in your life, there is no one else to blame, but yourself. Took me alot of years to figure that one out, and ACCEPT it as a reality. Not always easy to see, not always easy to accept. But it is reality.

The fisheries worked out very well, under the regulations of the Government. The same Government which also regulates the hunt. Imagine that, if you will.

Sorry, I don't prescribe to the theory that the indigenous peoples of Canada are the root cause of all our problems.

Sincerely,
Pisimawasis

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