4 moose shot
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Must be nice to live somewhere with huge swaths of crown land and clearly marked private property. God knows where i live it is easy to wander out of your bounds. But hey. My fault for not seeing that 40 year old red dot hanging off a tree 70 yards to my left. Guess you better take my truck. That'll learn me. Oh? There wasn't even a dot? That's okay. Crazy hillbilly landowner still wants to press charges, that is his right and i will just fight it in court. That's fair. I don't mind paying legal fees and spending time in court. And of course our court system is never unfair and is always understanding and lenient when no harm was done or intended.
It isn't some reperations, white guilt thing. Natives are a seperate entity. They have special rights in our constitution because they fought wars for them. The "laws" everyone is complaining about are treaties. Treaties between seperate nations, agreeing on a settlement of greivences. In exchange for the few things they get we got an entire country.
I have to say i am really bewilldered that people who know so much about gun laws and personnel rights, know so little about the structure and history of their own country.
sharp shooter
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You should know where the hell you are when hunting....or....just plain shooting moose. When reading the story it would appeare the moose were shot from the road..
Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
cdn1canhunt
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The history and political issues should mean squat!
I really want to reply to all of your comments but why continue the argument. What we all know is that the moose herd is in decline, from various factors. If we as a collective group aren't willing to address these factors that we know to be causing some of the decline, and we can immediately address them . Then there will be even less opportunity to enjoy a moose hunt in the immediate future.
Isn't that the real issue?
Sunchild2071
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Not argument, but for clarity (of my position), I support the maintenance of the treaties. When I say equal, I am just referring to attitudes and prejudices.
I feel I am fairly educated on the history and intent of the treaties. And see the constant whittling of them by the government. However, I also support a more traditional view of the application of the treaties, in the spirit of which they were negotiated, under natural law.
However, I also agree with another poster of this thread, that this should be in political forum, here. The major issue, from the OP IMHO, is trespassing. This thread has drifted way off-topic.
bearkilr
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wrenchbender4
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So you want the politicians to control a specific race/culture. But not you. Do I have that correct?
No I just would like all the same rules apply to them as they do to us , nothing more nothing less. Everything being equal.
No I just would like all the same rules apply to them as they do to us , nothing more nothing less. Everything being equal.
They are a different entity man. Like a country in a country. That's like saying quebec language laws should apply to all canadians. Or that they shouodn't be allowed to have them. (Might be a popular idea but not realistic or respectful of our history and culture).
Touché.
Although i do question whether or not the first one was preventable with good planning.
As for the second i guess that is the perfect example. Didn't matter that he was in a secluded area, someone else could still be there and they were.
Do you think some sort of night vision could have prevented this?
If you had to write laws allowing everyone to nightime hunt what would be your minimum requirements?
Seems like they went down a short private road into a clearing. Still must have known it wasn't okay. Probably thought they could get away with it. Got caught. Made national news. Plenty embarassing for them. Good.
Where i live hunting from a road is ok. Actually pretty lucky around here in alot of ways. In ways that we arn't though; we have lots of private land mixed in with crown land.
Unless you are very good with a map or have a gps there is little way to avoid crossing into private land. If you are hunting stationary that is one thing but i like going for a hike while i am hunting. I get to do it often so i can do it more casually than many and i have lived in the same area my whole life and have a very good sense of geography and direction. I have never used a map or gps in my life. (Inb4: you're irresponsible) not saying it is smart, or it is best, but it is true. Most people around here don't mind as long as you didn't walk right past a no tresspassing sign. And if you ask at least one person in the area if it is ok to hunt around there. Even if they don't own the land. That helps.
I think hunters are fourtunate to be part of a small community and that our activities take place in small communities. I think we should take advantage of that and leave the courts for guys who really deserve it...
I wouldn't have charged the guys. Given em a good dressing down, but i wouldn't have given them a criminal record. I know i wouldn't want one.
bearkilr
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They were both preventable simply by not firing a gun when you're unsure of your target. It's a fundamental rule regardless of whether it's day or night, the only difference is that in daytime you can see better.
I would ban night time hunting on any property where permission is required, which would be private and occupied crown/lease land. I would also make it illegal to use artificial aids for all night hunting, that would include thermal/imaging, nightvision, spotlights, etc.
Want to hunt at night? Go on wilderness crown land when the moon is full.
You make compelling argument and for what it is worth i agree with you.
The reality is though, that if we want to operate within the law, any regulation of first nation hunting must be self imposed . I'd be willing to pitch in 50 bucks to a fund for aboriginal groups to start conservation programs that work with existing mnr efforts. Especially if it meant a healthier moose population . And i don't think there would be many aboriginals that would scoff at a program that gave them more autonomy and authority over their own people.
BrotherRockeye
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lol
My buddy used to say "white mans tools, white mans rules"
If you wanna go horseback in the moonlight with yer lance and bow, I will respect your right to traditional harvest of game.
If you wanna use a pickup and rifle, then follow the same rules as the folks that introduced them to you. it's a matter of safety, not racism!
Just to clarify, the folks in the news piece had been denied access from the land owner the previous day. They came back and poached those Moose on private property anyway.
+1. People don't seem to understand the historical and legal relationship between the two entities.
Anyways yes we are way off track and yes they were trespassing (allegedly)
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