I think many of the poor accuracy reports have more to do with a lot of the guys who buy these seem to be stretching their finances to the limit and don't understand that they need to feed the rifle match grade ammunition to get good results. The ones that do understand that are probably incapable of shooting sub moa with any rifle you put in their hands.
My $2000+ AR will shoot sub moa with Black Hills match but with American Eagle black box it shoots around 1.5-2moa with the average being closer to 2 moa with the odd lucky group around 1.5, the MH and MV will be no different. Ammo choice and shooter skill play a lot more into results than simply buying a $3500 rifle.
The lack of positive reports also probably comes from all the haters jumping all over any reports that are posted. When people post results and are immediately flamed because they aren't sub moa even though they explained that they were only using brand C mediocre grade ammo it discourages others from posting anything.
I'm frustrated with the lack of proof of accuracy potential but I'm sure that if I owned one and spent some time doing a little load development I'm sure I could find some loads that would shoot sub moa. Once I hear more positive results regarding reliability I'll probably order a MV. Worst case scenario I put it on the EE and sell it for more than I paid for it
Originally I thought that could be the case for the accuracy reports. Also that the oil/gas sector was really hurting which was why there were so many for sale in the EE. Which made sense. But I've been watching the EE pretty closely and I've seen a few done up clearly target orientated MH go on the EE. Rifles with the options I would choose for accuracy. A quick check of the sellers and they were clearly target shooters with a lot of experience and pretty solid equipment. Yes it does take a bit more to shoot a semi auto. Any mistakes show up quick. But any decent target shooter can still shoot one as it's the same principles. The two MH that I'm thinking of both had fairly low round counts with one being 100 rounds. They were using match grade, had quality scopes etc. This was when I was pretty confident there was an accuracy issue with the MH. This was followed by other sellers that I couldn't confirm their ability through their posts offering to trade for a precision bolt rifle and or XCR-M! After seeing that trend the resales and accuracy accounts couldn't be so easily explained away.
Let's avoid the "labeling" game. The Liberals in the USA just got their @SS handed to them when they thought that tactic was more effective than discussion and debate. If you disagree you're labelled as such and such. It didn't matter how good your argument is. Let's avoid that. It didn't work there, it sure doesn't work here. I would also make the argument that those not towing the company line and pointing out when things aren't right have received a heck of a lot more flak than anyone posting mediocre or questionable targets. It's a little hard to take when those doing the labeling are trying to play the victim card.
The last point I will make is that it's been confirmed that there was in fact an accuracy issue with the MH. This once again has been confirmed. Yet when people wondered what was going on, they were labelled or suddenly a group would be shown as proof and stating that they are very accurate. But then it was shown that there were in fact issues and a non recall for the fist 75-100? rifles was done to address that very issue. So how credible are those original groups and those stating it's easily sub MOA or those groups close to .5 moa that were previously showing up?
Will the MH and MV be great shooters? Could be. But right now it's still very much an unknown. I think there is a reason to be skeptical. I hope these pan out for those who own them. It's a lot of money and nothing sucks more than a hyped up product not delivering. I have been there myself. It's not fun. The whole point of a firearms forum is to gain information so you can make an informed decision. Or if there are issues, it can be addressed. So hopefully those owners can get the accuracy they wanted.
I hope all the issues are addressed and we will see credible groups/reports with these rifles. That being said, I'm not a fan of the internals (DPMS), or the price including the off the shelf components. But if it's accurate and non restricted. Well.. until there is competition it will have a very nice niche market.
Right now if someone asks about it, I would say:
-There have been accuracy issues. It's current accuracy potential is unknown.
-The internals are cheap DPMS parts. Consumer grade.
-The side charging handle seems a bit add on and there have been problems with it not staying put which was addressed with a magnet. Unknown how this has held up
-You pay a huge premium for it on top of the non restricted tax, including for higher end off the shelf upgrades to the basic model.
-The trigger is decent but you can't easily change it out if you want better
-You can't shoot soft tipped, or surplus ammo out of it. Ammo criteria is on their site.
-Mags are finicky with XCR-M 10 round and Gen2 Pmags being considered the two reliable choices. No gen3 pmag and others are hit and miss
-There is a warranty, but you have to pay for shipping
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The positives are:
-It's a non restricted semi auto 308 or 223 (varmint model). This is confirmed by FRT.
-It can use high end AR308 parts which they do offer, including barrels, stocks etc.
-It's similar to an AR
-In theory it should be able to shoot .5 moa with perfect conditions (ammo, scope, shooter etc).
-It's a nice looking rifle and the external fit/finish is very nice.
