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Dark Alley Dan
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Lost and were soundly punished. Most would say they had it coming. I imagine many Germans of a certain age would disagree, but a nation shouldn't pick a fight with someone they can't beat.
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It's interesting to me when I hear someone rooting for the Wehrmacht. Why, exactly?
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Madashell, you have no idea what I believe about anything. Allow me to enlighten you.
I believe broadbrushing any group of people with a trait is a failure of logic. And so, while I'm certain there were numbers of decent, moral, sensible human beings in the German armed forces during WW2, I am equally confident that the government they served was as complete a set of murderous arseholes as ever walked the earth. The upper echelons of the Thousand Year Reich are all dead and I am very pleased that is the case.
I believe the people of Leningrad suffered depredations akin to those suffered by the citizens of Holland in '45, but for those unfortunate enough to be trapped in Leningrad, those shortages of medicine, food, housing, and care went on for eight hundred and seventy two days. I believe the German army was responsible for that. I believe it was an avoidable tragedy, and the end result of a series of bad decisions made by the government of Germany.
That's what I believe. You come on ahead and speak your mind.
Leningrad, Spring '42. Courtesy of the siege. That's a very small corpse on that sled.
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I can't imagine the occupants of that city would have seen their situation improve had the Germans broken through and occupied the place.
I believe broadbrushing any group of people with a trait is a failure of logic. And so, while I'm certain there were numbers of decent, moral, sensible human beings in the German armed forces during WW2, I am equally confident that the government they served was as complete a set of murderous arseholes as ever walked the earth. The upper echelons of the Thousand Year Reich are all dead and I am very pleased that is the case.
I believe the people of Leningrad suffered depredations akin to those suffered by the citizens of Holland in '45, but for those unfortunate enough to be trapped in Leningrad, those shortages of medicine, food, housing, and care went on for eight hundred and seventy two days. I believe the German army was responsible for that. I believe it was an avoidable tragedy, and the end result of a series of bad decisions made by the government of Germany.
That's what I believe. You come on ahead and speak your mind.
Leningrad, Spring '42. Courtesy of the siege. That's a very small corpse on that sled.
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I can't imagine the occupants of that city would have seen their situation improve had the Germans broken through and occupied the place.
It's illegal in this country to speak my mind on this particular subject, even when backed by hard evidence. Gee, makes one wonder eh ?
As for your opinions ... nothing deeper than the indoctrination of repetition
As a Canadian German who had direct and distant relatives serve in every branch of the German armed forces in the Second World War and lived with the aftermath of the decisions made by the leaders of the Third Reich, I strongly second that.
Very well put, Sir.
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I have trouble with people rooting for the Wehrmacht, as well, given "what we know now".
At the same time, I can understand the sympathy for them from some of the countries in Eastern Europe. For them, they got roled by the Soviets first (given, they were sold out by the Germans through the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact), then "Liberated" by the Germans, only to be re-conquered by the Soviets - who stayed.
For people in those countries, thanks to the deprivations imposed by the Soviets, it's somewhat forgivable for them to see the Germans as the lesser of two evils.
But for anyone from the West to express sympathy... I just can't shove my head far enough up my keister to see it from that point of view.
Re: siege of Leningrad .... first things to disappear where dogs and cats. It is also believed that cannibalism was rife.
My late German father-in-law was a Panzer Grenadier, one of the few who survived Stalingrad. Before the war he was a piano tuner. Drafted into the Wehrmacht, he was not a party member, but like all other members of the German military, he swore an oath of allegiance to Adolph Hitler in 1942, NOT to the German people.
That made the Wehrmacht complicit in any and all depredations and atrocities committed by Einsatz Gruppen and the SS while the fighting soldiers were doing what all soldiers try to do - stay alive to come home.
My late German father-in-law was a Panzer Grenadier, one of the few who survived Stalingrad. Before the war he was a piano tuner. Drafted into the Wehrmacht, he was not a party member, but like all other members of the German military, he swore an oath of allegiance to Adolph Hitler in 1942, NOT to the German people.
That made the Wehrmacht complicit in any and all depredations and atrocities committed by Einsatz Gruppen and the SS while the fighting soldiers were doing what all soldiers try to do - stay alive to come home.
Well that is an interesting come back regarding "force of law" and "history shoved down your throat" seems my friend that the post war Germans have enacted law accepting and owning responsibility for acts done by the government of the day during the Second World War. Anyways seven decades and several generations have distanced todays German citizens from deeds, well reported and documented, from that time, they have accepted it as fact. Feel free to believe what you wish or ignore facts and live in denial if that is your thing and at some level gives you comfort. I am 100% sure any Canadian soldier/Veteran who had been to Bergen Belsen in the spring of 1945 would call you out in a heart beat. Also feel free to enlighten all here about your original research proving beyond a doubt that the crimes of the Reich are nothing but a fabrication and what today is referred to as "fake news".
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I suppose you also have evidence that they faked the moon landings, Area 51 really had alien spaceships, 9-11 was a Pres. Bush conspiracy, Elvis is alive and the secret to the Caramilk bar?
Denying or altering what happened in WW2 Germany ( AND Japan, AND Russia) is an affront to Allied soldiers that paid the ultimate price so we have the freedom to spout such " truths" .
And if you think I have something against Germans, look at my sigline.
"post war Germans have enacted law accepting and owning responsibility " ..
Of course, it's an occupied country to this day.
Funny how the phase "the victors write the history" seems to have been forgotten since WW2.
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Well, if you have nothing to offer, mate, might as well put you on my ignore list. Been a pleasure not knowing you. Have a life.
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