Is the ACR worth it?

Anpaul said:
I'm just starting to reload .223. Would an ACR reliably cycle lighter loads than an AR with a midlength or rifle gas system?
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It is still designed to use the gas it's given, it's a balance of gas acting on the piston to push the bolt and carrier rear and the action spring pushing it forward. So the answer is no, the ACR will only cycle rounds that are in normal pressure ranges for 223/5.56 ammo. The ACR has a smaller gas port because the gas system requires less gas to do the same job. That's why when I used a 16 inch ACR barrel in an AR it short stroked until I opened up the gas port.
I'm not sure what you mean by lighter loads? Do you mean subsonic or are you talking about trying to save a couple grains of powder per load and still have the rifle cycle properly? Build your loads between the min and max published values from your reloading manuals, things can get dangerous above and below those published values.
 
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I rather like mine. 8.6 pounds as shown but feels lighter as it balances well for an NR. Herron conversion with an integrated FH to shave a bit of weight and an inch or two of OAL.
 
this rifle
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8.5 pounds with the fixed stock

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G.Mitchell said:
I'm debating either a NR ACR or an ATRA Varminter, I want this for 3 gun as I don't enjoy shooting for groups.

I'm leaning more towards the ACR, thoughts on ACR vs Varminter?
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Well the acr looks really neet and I will start by saying I never handled one so my opinions are base on specs and what I read. But I can give you a good opinion on the MV.

So feom what I read the ACR is awsome all around, very heavy as a NR dmr version, 9.8 lbs of I am correct?? And weight can be trimmed back 8-8.5 lbs with stock and handgard change. I think a enhance us 16 inch version is 8.2 lbs if not mistaken. But its a bit hard to tell has weight is not listed on the Bushmaster site. Aldo weight is not ludicrously high, a big part of why it weighs that is most certainly the gaz piston and that is the reason the MV is capable of being much lighter.

I have one range trip with my MV and I couldn't be happier! Naked with the 14 inch fortis and light weight barrel it sits at about 6.9 lbs. It work flawlessly with 3 atrs pistol mag, a pmag and a usgi mag using some nork ammo (5 rounds) some Remington ump and winchester white box. All 55 gr. And from the looks of it I would say the winchester look to be 2-2.5 moa and the rem umc sub moa!!

So it comes down to weight, if you think a piston gaz system is rhe way to go for you, if your willing to wait for a MV or go true de-resticting an acr or go with the dmr.

Eather way happy shooting
 
Anyone looking for the IWC ACR charging handle, I found one online from a retailer who imports from the US on a regular basis similar to IRUNGUNS. They have 4 left in stock in their US based location, I have one due for import on the next shipment on May 29th. The cutoff for any orders to be imported is April 17th. This will be my first experience with the company but they're email communications were very quick and helpful so I have no concerns thus far. It's not cheap at 110 dollars CAD after shipping but it was the only retailer I could find here in Canada. The company is A.Z. Tech Armory. It keeps censoring the name for some reason but theres no spaces its just one word like the spelling for the Native American Tribe. I'm not sure why that would be censored but you can google it no problem.
 
I bought an ACR DMR and only had it a week, I tried hard to like it, in all its plastic lower glory but kept putting it beside my xcr and saying to myself, Ill grow to like it, sorry no go. In my books, the xcr is 10 times the rifle in design and build quality, 223 wylde chambering, keymod stock, lighter , slimmer, alloy top and bottom receiver ,the list goes on , tell me this aint a beauty!!!!!!!!!!

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hunterhenderson said:
I bought an ACR DMR and only had it a week, I tried hard to like it, in all its plastic lower glory but kept putting it beside my xcr and saying to myself, Ill grow to like it, sorry no go. In my books, the xcr is 10 times the rifle in design and build quality, 223 wylde chambering, keymod stock, lighter , slimmer, alloy top and bottom receiver ,the list goes on , tell me this aint a beauty!!!!!!!!!!

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Well it sure is an opinion
My opinion is that year after year I try to find the motivation to buy an xcr but I never do and I buy other more quality rifles instead.
 
hunterhenderson said:
I bought an ACR DMR and only had it a week, I tried hard to like it, in all its plastic lower glory but kept putting it beside my xcr and saying to myself, Ill grow to like it, sorry no go. In my books, the xcr is 10 times the rifle in design and build quality, 223 wylde chambering, keymod stock, lighter , slimmer, alloy top and bottom receiver ,the list goes on , tell me this aint a beauty
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Ahhh you made my day. That's funny
 
hunterhenderson said:
I bought an ACR DMR and only had it a week, I tried hard to like it, in all its plastic lower glory but kept putting it beside my xcr and saying to myself, Ill grow to like it, sorry no go. In my books, the xcr is 10 times the rifle in design and build quality, 223 wylde chambering, keymod stock, lighter , slimmer, alloy top and bottom receiver ,the list goes on , tell me this aint a beauty!!!!!!!!!!
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So you're going to compare an XCR-L with pencil barrel, keymod, and tube stock to an ACR DMR with heavy barrel, silly quadrail aluminum forend and PRS stock? What didn't you like about it? Too heavy? Felt more muzzle heavy than the XCR?
You've obviously had too much to drink if you think an XCR is a better built rifle than an ACR. I can't think of a single category I would pick an XCR as superior other than Wolverine is standing behind them with parts and support.
 
cr5 said:
So you're going to compare an XCR-L with pencil barrel, keymod, and tube stock to an ACR DMR with heavy barrel, silly quadrail aluminum forend and PRS stock? What didn't you like about it? Too heavy? Felt more muzzle heavy than the XCR?
You've obviously had too much to drink if you think an XCR is a better built rifle than an ACR. I can't think of a single category I would pick an XCR as superior other than Wolverine is standing behind them with parts and support.
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I own both platforms, in similar configurations:

- medium barrel NR-converted ACR
- recent production light barrel keymod XCR

I would actually have a hard time choosing which I prefer. Build quality is actually really good on the new XCRs. ACR's more accurate. XCR barrel retention is lame. Ergos are comparable. Weight is comparable. I prefer the metal XCR lower and ability to switch pistol grips. I prefer the XCR charging handle location. All in all I personally don't agree with hunterhenderson, but I also do think there is an argument to be made that the ACR is not as clearly superior to a similarly configured XCR as you feel it is. My opinion only.
 
This new xcr came from last weeks batch at Wolverine , I will say its much better than either of my last two xcr's, the ACR feels cheap to me
 
CobraGT said:
I own both platforms, in similar configurations:

- medium barrel NR-converted ACR
- recent production light barrel keymod XCR

I would actually have a hard time choosing which I prefer. Build quality is actually really good on the new XCRs. ACR's more accurate. XCR barrel retention is lame. Ergos are comparable. Weight is comparable. I prefer the metal XCR lower and ability to switch pistol grips. I prefer the XCR charging handle location. All in all I personally don't agree with hunterhenderson, but I also do think there is an argument to be made that the ACR is not as clearly superior to a similarly configured XCR as you feel it is. My opinion only.
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I guess I'll have to get me one and see for myself
You want to buy another of my acogs to help me pony up the cash?
 
mikethebike said:
I guess I'll have to get me one and see for myself
You want to buy another of my acogs to help me pony up the cash?
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Have you done a side by side with the ACR and the APC yet?
As for the XCR, I had one pre-Keymod. The only thing really good was the trigger. I hear the Keymod is better but I don't think you'll find enough difference/ superiority of an XCR compared to your ACR to justify buying one. I have a M still if you want to try it.
 
Still alive said:
Have you done a side by side with the ACR and the APC yet?
As for the XCR, I had one pre-Keymod. The only thing really good was the trigger. I hear the Keymod is better but I don't think you'll find enough difference/ superiority of an XCR compared to your ACR to justify buying one. I have a M still if you want to try it.
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ACR 8.5 pounds really well balanced with rpm mlok and fixed stock, feels like a long barrel AR now.
APC 9.1 pounds a bit front heavy and the stock is too short for me, I don't like the grip I need to find something better but it's a really skinny rifle.
(Both had aimpoint micro when I weighed them)
I'm taking the apc out shooting this week along with my other Swiss rifle, I'll see how she does accuracy wise, gonna put the nightforce and the atlas on her

My wife doesn't want me to take pics outside with the guns anymore, shes creeped out the neighboes will call the cops, so I guess I could take a picture in the garage of them 3 side by side (Swiss, acr, apc)
 
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