Grizzly Rifle

Dogleg said:
Taylor always gets trotted out by big bore advocates who carefully or carelessly skip
the rest of book.

I like this quote about the 300 H&H:

"Firing its 150 grain slug the .300 Magnum is unbelievably deadly. I can't remember ever having to give a beast a second of them--- they're sure dynamite."

Although it sounds like something Roy Weatherby would say, it was John Taylor. :)
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medvedqc said:
not easy to mention in the same token John Taylor and new ideas for the rules ... always love to read what he said about the 9.3x62 ....
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9.3mauser said:
Taylor's KO theory was based on head shots on elephant using solid bullets. He openly admits that energy is likely a better indicator of effectiveness on thin-skinned game. He was also of the opinion that the lighter, faster, .416 Rigby & .425 WR were better lion stoppers than the .450/.465/.470.

The first minimum calibre law came out in Kenya in 1957, on the recommendation of the East African Professional Hunter's Association ( now defunct ). Prior to that, you could use anything you wanted. Had these laws not come about, the .375 might not be quite as popular as it is today.
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Ardent said:
Very good points and info all around there 9.3, important note on the application of his KO hypothesis. It holds about as much water in western thin skinned (bears, ungulates) game circles as a crab trap.
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This is how John "Pondoro" Taylor sums up the 9.3x62 Mauser in the classic African Rifles and Cartridges, "There isn't really a great deal to say about it. Everybody found it so generally satisfactory that there wasn't anything to start a discussion."

When I first read this, sometime after about 20 years of using both the 9.3X62 and the 375 H&H, it just kind of flowed through my thoughts as "Well yeah, of course." I had also killed several tons of big game using the 358 Norma magnum with 250 gr Speer spitzers at more than 2800 fps. It does almost as well, and a bit farther out.

Ted
 
Ardent said:
We're telling him he should buy another gun, how much more gun nut does it get! ;)
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Gun nuts want to use what they want to use, what interests them at the time. The most practical weapon for hunting big game in much of western Canada is a stainless synthetic bolt action in something like 30-06, but guys still like to use black powder, arrows, fine wood classic looking rifles, single shots, double rifles, military style rifles, lever actions, modern cartridges, antique cartridges and obsolete cartridges.

If a guy wants to hunt bears with a 45/70 because it interests him, he should. Plenty of grizzlies have dropped to the 45/70 and plenty of grizzly outfitters have packed 45/70 or similar, too. Just like every other weapon/projectile combination, use it within it's parameters, understand it's limitations and go have fun.

I'm not a subscriber to the Cult of the 45/70, but I understand why someone wants to use something a little less "practical" than the majority of the hunters.
 
I think the Alaskan fish and wild life has it right as are Grizly ar not any bigger then the Alaskan Grizzly and don't think a guy in hunting Valmont BC is in any danger of charger rhino
 
While the coastal bears of BC and AK, and the plains grizzlies of our Yukon North Slope, gain tremendous weight on high protein diets of fish and caribou, most interior bears are much smaller. Females around 2-300 pounds and mature males about a hundred pounds heavier. This is a huge disappointment to most hunters, especially when they roll one over, and realize how easy it was to do.

Art Pearson was amazed when he and his colleagues weighed the first darted grizzlies in our far North.
Ted
 
Why not? said:
While the coastal bears of BC and AK, and the plains grizzlies of our Yukon North Slope, gain tremendous weight on high protein diets of fish and caribou, most interior bears are much smaller. Females around 2-300 pounds and mature males about a hundred pounds heavier. This is a huge disappointment to most hunters, especially when they roll one over, and realize how easy it was to do.

Art Pearson was amazed when he and his colleagues weighed the first darted grizzlies in our far North.
Ted
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so true ....

h t t p ://www.wmacns.ca/pdfs/186_rpt_grizzly_midterm.pdf
 
Why not? said:
This is how John "Pondoro" Taylor sums up the 9.3x62 Mauser in the classic African Rifles and Cartridges, "There isn't really a great deal to say about it. Everybody found it so generally satisfactory that there wasn't anything to start a discussion."

When I first read this, sometime after about 20 years of using both the 9.3X62 and the 375 H&H, it just kind of flowed through my thoughts as "Well yeah, of course." I had also killed several tons of big game using the 358 Norma magnum with 250 gr Speer spitzers at more than 2800 fps. It does almost as well, and a bit farther out.

Ted
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Indirectly answers my question to you on the thread "The Mighty 358 Norma Has Arrived' :) .
 
Gatehouse said:
Gun nuts want to use what they want to use, what interests them at the time. The most practical weapon for hunting big game in much of western Canada is a stainless synthetic bolt action in something like 30-06, but guys still like to use black powder, arrows, fine wood classic looking rifles, single shots, double rifles, military style rifles, lever actions, modern cartridges, antique cartridges and obsolete cartridges.

If a guy wants to hunt bears with a 45/70 because it interests him, he should. Plenty of grizzlies have dropped to the 45/70 and plenty of grizzly outfitters have packed 45/70 or similar, too. Just like every other weapon/projectile combination, use it within it's parameters, understand it's limitations and go have fun.

I'm not a subscriber to the Cult of the 45/70, but I understand why someone wants to use something a little less "practical" than the majority of the hunters.
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Nicely put.:)
 
Why not? said:
While the coastal bears of BC and AK, and the plains grizzlies of our Yukon North Slope, gain tremendous weight on high protein diets of fish and caribou, most interior bears are much smaller. Females around 2-300 pounds and mature males about a hundred pounds heavier. This is a huge disappointment to most hunters, especially when they roll one over, and realize how easy it was to do.

Art Pearson was amazed when he and his colleagues weighed the first darted grizzlies in our far North.
Ted
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Part of that is when hunters shoot the first bear they see.... Waiting for a big or bigger mature boar usually means passing on some smaller younger ones. Or even not getting one that year??
And yes I have passed and gone home with nothing..
 
Evan a small grizzly is sumthing to be proud of thay all can't be monsters
The main thing is to injoy the hunt and if you can get a bit of fishing in Evan better
 
Gatehouse said:
Gun nuts want to use what they want to use, what interests them at the time. The most practical weapon for hunting big game in much of western Canada is a stainless synthetic bolt action in something like 30-06, but guys still like to use black powder, arrows, fine wood classic looking rifles, single shots, double rifles, military style rifles, lever actions, modern cartridges, antique cartridges and obsolete cartridges.

If a guy wants to hunt bears with a 45/70 because it interests him, he should. Plenty of grizzlies have dropped to the 45/70 and plenty of grizzly outfitters have packed 45/70 or similar, too. Just like every other weapon/projectile combination, use it within it's parameters, understand it's limitations and go have fun.

I'm not a subscriber to the Cult of the 45/70, but I understand why someone wants to use something a little less "practical" than the majority of the hunters.
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Naa, mostly they want to talk about it.
 
Dogleg said:
Naa, mostly they want to talk about it.
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Well, there is that....:)

We see lots of posts and pics here (often the same pics over and over) of rifles that never get used in the field, but lots of talk about "someday" using them. :)

And we all enjoy getting into hypothetical discussions of bullets and cartridges and rifles of course. :)
 
Gatehouse said:
Well, there is that....:)

We see lots of posts and pics here (often the same pics over and over) of rifles that never get used in the field, but lots of talk about "someday" using them. :)

And we all enjoy getting into hypothetical discussions of bullets and cartridges and rifles of course. :)
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Yes . It's called THERAPY!!
 
Gatehouse said:
Well, there is that....:)

We see lots of posts and pics here (often the same pics over and over) of rifles that never get used in the field, but lots of talk about "someday" using them. :)

And we all enjoy getting into hypothetical discussions of bullets and cartridges and rifles of course. :)
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you meant you are really using your 375 ruger since .....
 
medvedqc said:
you meant you are really using your 375 ruger since .....
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Since last spring when I shot a bear with it? And that every year since I've had it (10 now) it's gone hunting and I've used it on several deer, moose and bear?

And last fall shot I deer with my Tavor, because of the reasons I stated in post #284?

I know that English isn't your first language, but I'm not picking up what you are putting down, my friend :)
 
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Love the 45-70 whit the 300 grain remington HP for deer and black bear for moose and up ill go whit the 405 grain 2 hole just aim for the lung
 
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