Who is buying a Type81?

fenceline said:
What makes you think those two numbers are different?

Rumour has it China wants payment in full for x number of guns. And that the preorder has met X yet. Hence why production hasn't started repeatedly. This is a wholly consumer funded venture with a dealer facilitating as middle man.
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The guns are probably in the neighborhood of $150/unit, they don't need to pre-sell the whole order at $1000 each to get the funds.
You may be correct though, China may be imposing a 25-30k minimum order so TI hasn't hit that threshold yet with the pre-orders, and that's why production isn't happening.
 
Im so excited to see how this works out! i cant wait to see whos gonna cry and who will claim victory :evil:

Will it be the ones who didnt preorder and/or are b**ching about how bs this all is, but will then be mad jelly over the faithfuls new toy???? And the faithfuls, taking the high ground, wont even have the time, nor care, to say "i told you so", since their new toy is the most controllable and accurate 7.62x39 in CANADA!!! And OOOOOOH, how the debbie downers will wail and gnash their teeth because those preorders were the only rifles coming in for...the...NEXT...THREE....YEARSSSS!!!!!

Or the faithfuls will have their dreams dashed by the deceptive TI! To be left, left i say! left being swallowed up and consumed by the building HATE and negativity from the hoard of, now, RIGHTEOUS debbie downers towards deceptive marketing and disingenuous promises! left without explanation or transparency. left searching for the answer to the one question that matters most. The one question humankind has always sought!!!! WHY!!!!!!!! WHY TI!!!! WHYYYYYYYYY!

Or will the guns comes and they suck, like the T97s? What gonna happen?! i dunnooooo, thats the fun!

I can see both sides, but i think its clear that TI isnt being as transparent as they could be, which makes me a little angry. I think they will either turn out to be scuzz buckets, who will never have my business again, or they are an amateur company who cant handle PR at all. Im not pleased with how they are, or lack there of, handling this and the sometimes justified frustration over lack of info being communicated, which breeds the uncertainty. If TI is confident, why not share all the info people are asking for? and if they arnt, communicate that it could be a long shot so if it doesnt work out, people wont hate so much hurting future business. just my 2 cents

I really do hope these guns come through and keep coming through, for the betterment and glory of Canada! (plus im not preordered...yet...and may want one in the future:cool:)
 
Mantis said:
Pure negative speculation without a shred of evidence to support any of those. This will end with the production of the rifles in July as expected and delivery shortly there afterwards to those who had pre-orders. Only pissing and moaning will be from those who thought they could buy one without a pre-order.
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I take it you haven't followed the last couple flops and mishaps in the past couple years or haven't worked in a sales environment before. The lack of transparency in this whole ordeal, along with the tone and run of the mill bull#### sales tactics (Last batch for 3+ years, we need X amount of orders for these to be made, blah blah blah) is super sketchy. Along with the fact they are saying Poly didn't know that the factory demands a certain amount of units to be ordered before doing a production run? This all seems like shady and hasty decision making. Again, look at AIA, the T97, CZ spartans (Empty promises, disappointment and unforeseen events, respectively).

There are a ton of variables and the fact that all of this is being done on customers essentially fronting the money for the order should be another red flag. If the only people that get one are the ones that pre-ordered, that alone will confirm something went wrong in this whole process. These things are cheap to manufacture, and if they live up to the hype there wont be any problems moving units. So why wait on consumers to fund a venture for over a year when it's pretty much a given they will sell their stock? If this was their end game, why not just call it a group buy and straight up say we need X amount of people to purchase at Y price for these to come here...

I'm not trying to piss on anyone's parade but in the end it's a sales game and business, to just give a company a grand with hopes of the best outcome with a scarce flow of info.... It doesn't sit right with me.
 
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Hitzy said:
Maybe TI could tell us how many guns were ordered, and how many pre-orders are still hanging in? That would be the come clean, transparent thing to do.
I doubt they will do that however, since the tone of their last email was a little desperate..."better pre-order now as they won't be making these for another 3 years"...which is pure bullllllshhhhiiiitt lol.
My gut tells me less then 500 on the pre-order list, maybe 3000 rifles ordered...which is why they are not being made.
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TI already stated only 1000 rifles were ordered...and seeing how the type 81 has already been replaced as a service rifle, I don't find it hard to believe that there will be limited, if any production for years to come...but hopefully that's not the case...

Hitzy said:
The guns are probably in the neighborhood of $150/unit, they don't need to pre-sell the whole order at $1000 each to get the funds.
You may be correct though, China may be imposing a 25-30k minimum order so TI hasn't hit that threshold yet with the pre-orders, and that's why production isn't happening.
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what makes you think the rifles are only $150 per unit? If the minimum order was 30k, that would be 200 rifles at 150 a pop...and that would only require 30 preorders to pay. So 1000 rifles would be 150k, which would be covered by 150 preorders, which I would say is probably reasonable to assume that 150 preorders are currently being held...
 
Hitzy said:
The guns are probably in the neighborhood of $150/unit, they don't need to pre-sell the whole order at $1000 each to get the funds.
You may be correct though, China may be imposing a 25-30k minimum order so TI hasn't hit that threshold yet with the pre-orders, and that's why production isn't happening.
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Man! You just keep going and going just like the Energizer bunny . Very entertaining if nothing else LOL.
 
Vewdu said:
I take it you haven't followed the last couple flops and mishaps in the past couple years or haven't worked in a sales environment before. The lack of transparency in this whole ordeal, along with the tone and run of the mill bull#### sales tactics (Last batch for 3+ years, we need X amount of orders for these to be made, blah blah blah) is super sketchy. Along with the fact they are saying Poly didn't know that the factory demands a certain amount of units to be ordered before doing a production run? This all seems like shady and hasty decision making. Again, look at AIA, the T97, CZ spartans (Empty promises, disappointment and unforeseen events, respectively).

There are a ton of variables and the fact that all of this is being done on customers essentially fronting the money for the order should be another red flag. If the only people that get one are the ones that pre-ordered, that alone will confirm something went wrong in this whole process. These things are cheap to manufacture, and if they live up to the hype there wont be any problems moving units. So why wait on consumers to fund a venture for over a year when it's pretty much a given they will sell their stock? If this was their end game, why not just call it a group buy and straight up say we need X amount of people to purchase at Y price for these to come here...

I'm not trying to piss on anyone's parade but in the end it's a sales game and business, to just give a company a grand with hopes of the best outcome with a scarce flow of info.... It doesn't sit right with me.
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Oh I've read all the posts like yours - mostly by people who have not ordered a rifle and have no interest in ordering at rifle. You make all kinds of speculation without a shred of evidence to support what you are saying. This ordeal? What ordeal? I have had my order in since day one and do not consider this to be an "ordeal". Lack of transparency? What lack of transparency? They gave us a very specific target date range and updated us when circumstances have changed. They did the same again with the planned July production. We are not children. We don't need weekly updates or monthly updated when nothing has changed.
 
fenceline said:
What makes you think those two numbers are different?

Rumour has it China wants payment in full for x number of guns. And that the preorder has met X yet. Hence why production hasn't started repeatedly. This is a wholly consumer funded venture with a dealer facilitating as middle man.
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Completely unfounded rumours - since when is any paranoid CGN speculation turned out to be true?
 
cranswick said:
TI already stated only 1000 rifles were ordered...and seeing how the type 81 has already been replaced as a service rifle, I don't find it hard to believe that there will be limited, if any production for years to come...but hopefully that's not the case...

what makes you think the rifles are only $150 per unit? If the minimum order was 30k, that would be 200 rifles at 150 a pop...and that would only require 30 preorders to pay. So 1000 rifles would be 150k, which would be covered by 150 preorders, which I would say is probably reasonable to assume that 150 preorders are currently being held...
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That's 30k units I'm taking about not $30k....
If they really only ordered 1000, they will never get built.
It's China, you have no idea how cheap they can actually make ####, and this thing is much less complicated to manufacture then a T97/M14/AR15 that all retail here for much less then $1000. You guys are getting hammered on the price because it's a new toy...
 
Mantis said:
Completely unfounded rumours - since when is any paranoid CGN speculation turned out to be true?
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Dude...last year. CGN did great to uncover a bunch of BS. Thank goodness this isnt close to that debacle in treachery, but it does smell funny. Cant believe you said that....where've you been...
 
grelmar said:
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thank you. I dare not utter speak that filth. if you dont know, search t2 garand...youll know the thread to read when u see it. A couple CGNers smelt something fishy from the start and their logical reasoning turned out to be true when verified when the guns turned up. The only difference right now (besides a certain level of treachery) is we cant fully verify what the nah sayers are saying yet. But that doesnt mean what they are saying is stupid, unfounded or illogical. At this point, their assumptions and reasoning could be right or your assumptions and reasoning could be right.

Like i said before, whats gonna happen? I dunnoooo! Thats the fun!
 
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