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Yes, you are correct. Mostly. Handgun with chambering that accepts. 410 shotgun shells up to 3", but also can fire 45 colt. Double action 5 shot revolver.

What you suggest, could be a way to explore the capabilities/limitations.
 
That leans to what I said before, in a way.

Not so easy to walk over to the shotgun girls with a revolver. Not so easy to fire shot on the pistol range at one range I frequent. Hence the recent addition of memberships to a few other ranges.

The three gun range may be a place to establish this, as mentioned a few posts ago. Also had some suggestions by PM.

Unfortunately, can't fire it on private land. I have enough. Could establish shot patterns easy enough at home, but for the overlords. So no option to do that.
 
Well, all I'm getting at is that a rifled barrel would not be at all suitable for shooting clays. The rifling imparts centripetal force to the shot, causing it to spin and get thrown out of the barrel laterally in all directions. A pattern would be all but non existent at any sort of range.

See: IV8888's video on the subject. Take those results and exaggerate them when dealing with the much shorter revolver barrel.


So you'd need a smooth bore barrel. Which would be not at all suitable to fire bullets that require spin stabilization. So your dream of a .410 short range/.45 colt long range gun is unfortunately not realistic. You could do shot and foster type slugs out of a smooth bore I suppose?
 
My experience is the shorter barrels cause less distortion of the pattern then long ones when it comes to rifling. 22 revolvers seem to pattern birdshot better then 22 rifles.

US laws are why pistols designed for shotshells have rifling. If you wanted to spend the money you could have a smith rebarrel or ream out the rifling up here.

Also TC contender made a 45/410.with a screw in choke that had straight rifling to try and stop the spin.
 
Aniest said:
If you look at the requirements of the RCMP and/or CFO on the creation of a range...
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Sunchild2071 said:
I'll have to check, certainly. Key is finding a location to do it.
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You won't because you need to change the system first. Just like you said about not being able to pattern the 410 handgun at home: there are set rules against it. I with you on changing the system, but you will have to do that first.

The regulations are here: https://nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...n-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf

I doubt if any range will be shut down because someone discharged a handgun on a range not certified for it. The regulations demand that discharging a handgun, regardless of ammo, requires a very tall back stop.

The radius of a skeet field is 19.2 meters, meaning from house to house you would require at least a 4m backstop around 110degrees of the field.

Again, you said it yourself:
Sunchild2071 said:
...but for the overlords. So no option to do that.
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You need to change the "overlord" state first... just letting you know, even if I do support you on that.
 
Aniest said:
You won't because you need to change the system first. Just like you said about not being able to pattern the 410 handgun at home: there are set rules against it. I with you on changing the system, but you will have to do that first.

The regulations are here: https://nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2...n-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf

I doubt if any range will be shut down because someone discharged a handgun on a range not certified for it. The regulations demand that discharging a handgun, regardless of ammo, requires a very tall back stop.

The radius of a skeet field is 19.2 meters, meaning from house to house you would require at least a 4m backstop around 110degrees of the field.

Again, you said it yourself:


You need to change the "overlord" state first... just letting you know, even if I do support you on that.
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But at what distance? A skeet field also requires a shot fall zone of 275 metres in an arc of the targets flights as shot from all 8 stations. What height would be required of a backstop then as the targets also rise upwards on their flight from the house they are released from crossing the centre stake of the field at a height of approximately 13' -15'. Your shooting height angle(trajectory) changes from station to station on both the high and low house targets culminating in station 8 in all likelihood being your highest trajectory as the target passes overhead and to the right and or left of your shoulder depending on which you are shooting, the high house or low house bird. Theoretically you'd need a skyscraper height berm to shoot station 8 if a backstop were required.
 
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But at what distance? A skeet field also requires a shot fall zone of 275 metres in an arc of the targets flights as shot from all 8 stations. What height would be required of a backstop then as the targets also rise upwards on their flight from the house they are released from crossing the centre stake of the field at a height of approximately 13' -15'. Your shooting height angle(trajectory) changes from station to station on both the high and low house targets culminating in station 8 in all likelihood being your highest trajectory as the target passes overhead and to the right and or left of your shoulder depending on which you are shooting, the high house or low house bird. Theoretically you'd need a skyscraper height berm to shoot station 8 if a backstop were required.
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Exactly, a 4m backstop would be useless for skeet. Some clubs have purchased shot curtains where their fallout distance is inadequate, but those curtains need to be quite high in many cases, and they are very expensive, too expensive for the smaller clubs to be able to afford.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
Unfortunately, can't fire it on private land. I have enough. Could establish shot patterns easy enough at home, but for the overlords. So no option to do that.
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Your history of illegal firearms use, criminal conviction, imprisonment and lengthy firearms prohibition might have something to do with it too. :rolleyes:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ch-trouble?p=13446076&viewfull=1#post13446076

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Yes, I openly admit I have illegally discharged firearms before. I also was handed a lengthy prohibition upon conviction, and a jail sentence. I served my time, and met all the other conditions. I brought all that upon myself.
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Consider yourself fortunate to be in a country with "overlords" as tolerant as Canada's. They granted you a PAL whereas in the U.S.A. convicted felons are permanently prohibited from possessing firearms and ammunition.
 
Claybuster said:
Your history of illegal firearms use, criminal conviction, imprisonment and lengthy firearms prohibition might have something to do with it too. :rolleyes:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ch-trouble?p=13446076&viewfull=1#post13446076



Consider yourself fortunate to be in a country with "overlords" as tolerant as Canada's. They granted you a PAL whereas in the U.S.A. convicted felons are permanently prohibited from possessing firearms and ammunition.
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Why am I not surprised?
 
Scar270 said:
What the heck does that have to do with this thread? Completely off topic.
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Just putting his remarks into some context. He hasn't been shy about repeatedly sharing the fact of his criminal past elsewhere on this site. When someone who has never shot clay targets before stumbles into the forum with remarks about "shotgun girls," and telling people to "FYYFF" and ranting about "overlords" and "NASA applications" it's helpful context to learn how he might have acquired his abrasive and aggressive demeanor.

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And for the others. The unproductive contributors, who felt the need to jump over from the thread that I politely decided to heed advice, and start my own - thanks for your input, baiting, trolling. We can reminisce about when you were declined for your NASA applications, due to your extreme level of overachievement in all things personality and intelligence related, on another (new) thread or PMs, should you care to do so. Otherwise, kindly feel free to read the first post, and provide the info requested. If you think I'm going down that road with you (as or family phrase goes) FYYFF. Yes, our entire family has that phrase tattooed somewhere on our bodies. Use your imagination, here. If I spelled it out, it may be infraction worthy. That is all I have to say on that subject.
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Sunchild2071 said:
Not so easy to walk over to the shotgun girls with a revolver. Not so easy to fire shot on the pistol range at one range I frequent. Hence the recent addition of memberships to a few other ranges.

The three gun range may be a place to establish this, as mentioned a few posts ago. Also had some suggestions by PM.

Unfortunately, can't fire it on private land. I have enough. Could establish shot patterns easy enough at home, but for the overlords. So no option to do that.
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Sunchild2071 said:
Funny place this CGN.

I realized I overstepped and hijacked a thread, and politely backed out because of my faux pas. Even went as far as to start my own thread, as was suggested there, to not clutter the OPs thread with my thoughts.

Some awesome tips, advice, brainstorming in this thread from productive people with positive input to helping me find what the final form of this idea might become. And thanks, also, for the PMs suggesting places and contacts I should check out that may possibly be suitable for this idea. Definitely going to follow up on those, since as an added bonus, good excuse for a road trip on the bike, to go to these places. I'm also pretty sure, since a handgun would fit in the saddlebags, it might be a little more discreet than running down the highway with a Savage 110 strapped across the handlebars, LOL! Sure get some odd glances, doing that!

If we were all the same, life would be boring. I don't mind hovering around the edges. The last thing I want to be is "like everyone else".

So for as what has been presented so far, a big thank you for your PMs and ideas here. Definitely going to go further on this, and try contacting some suggested locations to see their take on this. They can't say no if I don't ask. If I get a yes, then road trip it is!

And for the others. The unproductive contributors, who felt the need to jump over from the thread that I politely decided to heed advice, and start my own - thanks for your input, baiting, trolling. We can reminisce about when you were declined for your NASA applications, due to your extreme level of overachievement in all things personality and intelligence related, on another (new) thread or PMs, should you care to do so. Otherwise, kindly feel free to read the first post, and provide the info requested. If you think I'm going down that road with you (as or family phrase goes) FYYFF. Yes, our entire family has that phrase tattooed somewhere on our bodies. Use your imagination, here. If I spelled it out, it may be infraction worthy. That is all I have to say on that subject.
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Claybuster said:
Just putting his remarks into some context. He hasn't been shy about repeatedly sharing the fact of his criminal past elsewhere on this site. When someone who has never shot clay targets before stumbles into the forum with remarks about "shotgun girls," and telling people to "FYYFF" and ranting about "overlords" and "NASA applications" it's helpful context to learn how he might have acquired his abrasive and aggressive demeanor.
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You could not have worded that any better, thank you!

And again I say I am so surprised?!
 
Claybuster said:
Just putting his remarks into some context. He hasn't been shy about repeatedly sharing the fact of his criminal past elsewhere on this site. When someone who has never shot clay targets before stumbles into the forum with remarks about "shotgun girls," and telling people to "FYYFF" and ranting about "overlords" and "NASA applications" it's helpful context to learn how he might have acquired his abrasive and aggressive demeanor.
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That pretty much sums it up. I am actually surprised that he is still a member after posting the "FYYFF".
 
Back on topic, the CFO lets mounted shooters shoot restricteds in a rodeo arena with zero backstop, because they use blanks, so getting shotshells allowed without a backstop is not beyond the realm of possibilities.

I also realize logic may not have any effect on a bureaucrats decision.
 
Scar270 said:
Back on topic, the CFO lets mounted shooters shoot restricteds in a rodeo arena with zero backstop, because they use blanks, so getting shotshells allowed without a backstop is not beyond the realm of possibilities.

I also realize logic may not have any effect on a bureaucrats decision.
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Getting exactly what your are saying. To that effect, I don't think trying to get a decision is the answer (yet), for the different ways it can swing.

I am hoping this week to make some suggested contacts, for ranges that might already have parameters in place, that could at least let me start patterning, and getting a feel for effective range vs. load. See what the possibilities are within already established range rules. No blasting shot where not allowed, or restricted where not allowed, kinda thing.

I know at least one range I am a member does 3-gun, but I need to get some clarity on permitted range uses. As I see the rules (per range) right now, I don't think I can shoot for patterning, but knowing they do 3-gun, I could be interpreting wrong. Or I am just not paying proper attention to the right part of the range that may be suitable for the purpose.
 
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