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What's the cost to them for getting registered to export..

after that, isn't the cost all on the importer to get them up here?
 
JayCarver said:
If Wanstalls gives a full refund who gets shafted?
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The little guy who thought for once he was getting something he could afford. It doesn't matter that he got his deposit reimbursed if the price goes up and it is now going to cost him more or worse yet he may no longer be able to afford it with the price increase.

Is it that hard to figure out who gets shafted? Everyone not able to get what they were convinced they were getting gets shafted.

Deposit being refunded is irrelevant to the shafting procedure. It's quite clear.
 
They can't go on CGN and read it for themselves.... come on people, I really can't see wantsall making a preorder without a predetermined price that was agreed Upon. Even Canam said it these guys are all over the place from one minute to the next. There is no denying what is going on here anymore....


 
They never replied to having made comments or an account on CGN.
Just the fact that they want people on Facebook to let them know what comments are being made on here seems odd
Edit: I just logged out....you don't even need an account to read most discussions on here lol
 
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jiffx2781 said:
The little guy who thought for once he was getting something he could afford. It doesn't matter that he got his deposit reimbursed if the price goes up and it is now going to cost him more or worse yet he may no longer be able to afford it with the price increase.

Is it that hard to figure out who gets shafted? Everyone not able to get what they were convinced they were getting gets shafted.

Deposit being refunded is irrelevant to the shafting procedure. It's quite clear.
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Perhaps if the people ask nicely they can get reimbursed for their hurt feelings and psychologist expenses after having to endure such a dramatic event? It only seems right.
 
jiffx2781 said:
The way I am seeing this is that Wanstalls wouldn't offer this for sale without some form of contract with M+M. Wanstalls is reputable. What they had for an agreement is unclear at the moment. There are many things that constitute a contract. But it appears they had some form of one for them to come up with pricing and launch a pre-order. They were sure they were getting them. This assurance must have came from none other than M+M. I'd say Wanstalls was acting in good faith.

Now take a few steps back and remember who did the leg work on this. Can-Am. They wouldn't do the grunt work on this project without securing some form of first rights to either sales or distributorship. There would have been some form of contract between Can-Am and M+M. This would have taken place before Wanstalls came into the picture.

Now back to where we are now. M+M enters into an agreement with Wanstalls giving them rights to sell for them, with total disregard to prior commitments they've made with the guy that did the grunt work, Can-Am. Can-Am catches drift of this and says wait a minute there, you have comments with me.

Now we have two reputable dealers looking at M+M saying guess what guys we have a contract. Can-Am says you have to honor your commitment with us as we established it first. Wanstalls is saying guess what we also have a contract, it's not our fault you f'ed up and beached terms of a prior contract with another dealer, we have a contract, you owe us rifles. Can-Am says we had a contract in place first you must honor ours first.

Now M+M is sitting around trying to figure there way out of the serious s#it hole they just dug themselves into. Oh I know, they say, demand on Wanstalls pre-order was higher than we expected so we will jack prices to make the consumer pay for our f*up. In the meantime let's hope neither Can-Am or Wanstalls sue our a$$ off for breach of contract.

All the while Wanstalls are trying to figure out how they are getting their hands on enough rifles to fulfill the terms of the contract they entered into with all the pre-order guys. Sorry Wanstalls, once the money was accepted a legal binding contract was formed. But I think you know that and will figure out how to do the impossible even if it means you now have to buy the rifles off of Can-Am so you may supply all the guys who you entered into contract with. Oops I almost forgot, you guys are fine because you know that the little guy knows it's not worth it for him to persue it and hold you to the terms of the contract. A simple refund and you're off the hook. The little guy gets shafted. Who'd ever think of that right?

Wow! Things can go south pretty quickly.

Hope it works out for both dealers involved as I don't think this clusterfack was either of their fault. But on the other hand I think M+M has some worring to do. If either of the dealers don't do enough damage to them I'm sure after all this the Canadian consumer will by taking our business elsewhere. Especially if M+M thinks there is opportunity to shaft us with a price increase.

Of course this is all just speculation as I see things currently given the little information we have. This is getting ridiculous. Hopefully we have some concrete answers soon .
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sounds like you are drawing a lot of conclusions based on your opinion rather than fact. neither dealer has come out and said M+M authorized the price they released or the number of rifles they were guaranteed for the presale offering......very telling as to who is right and who is wrong here.
 
No dog in this fight, but seems to me #5 of their standard terms and conditions allows them to refuse an order for any reason. It also says you get a full refund if they do that.
 
I find it hard to believe that a business would randomly start selling an item without knowing their own cost and thus profit margin. I'm pretty sure wanstalls knew how much each rifle was going to cost them. I think other parties felt they could get a bigger cut of the profit...
 
JayCarver said:
Perhaps if the people ask nicely they can get reimbursed for their hurt feelings and psychologist expenses after having to endure such a dramatic event? It only seems right.
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LOL...even that wont make them happy. Every...I mean every ####en positive gun event in Canada is met with the same bull#### hand wringing, complaining and whining.

I made the presale on time and rushed to get my emt in when things started to get dicey. I hope I get my rifle at the advertised price...if not big ####en deal. If I end up with a credit at wantalls...so what, I'm sure they have something I'll want.

OMG they are in breach of a contract they entered with me...where's my rifle for 1450$!!! Guess what...this isn't Walmart, their is no price match guarantee. It wasn't a bait and switch, it was a mistake that in the end will harm NO ONE.

Harm wantsalls reputation?...No way, ill go out of my way to shop there since they tried to come to market without price gouging.

Is this a Millennial thing???

RANT OFF LOL
 
Shooter1971 said:
LOL...even that wont make them happy. Every...I mean every ####en positive gun event in Canada is met with the same bull#### hand wringing, complaining and whining.

I made the presale on time and rushed to get my emt in when things started to get dicey. I hope I get my rifle at the advertised price...if not big ####en deal. If I end up with a credit at wantalls...so what, I'm sure they have something I'll want.

OMG they are in breach of a contract they entered with me...where's my rifle for 1450$!!! Guess what...this isn't Walmart, their is no price match guarantee. It wasn't a bait and switch, it was a mistake that in the end will harm NO ONE.

Harm wantsalls reputation?...No way, ill go out of my way to shop there since they tried to come to market without price gouging.

Is this a Millennial thing???

RANT OFF LOL
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I wish I could be in a business where everyone was like you. It would be great to sell dodge rams for $17,000 and then tell people it's really $30,000 and to pay up to get their trucks. And then you wouldn't sue me and I'd get rich... fabulously rich...

Maybe run for President? ;)
 
Brian46 said:
sounds like you are drawing a lot of conclusions based on your opinion rather than fact. neither dealer has come out and said M+M authorized the price they released or the number of rifles they were guaranteed for the presale offering......very telling as to who is right and who is wrong here.
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Bravo buddy. Thanks for feeling the need to point out the obvious to me.
Now take a few minutes to work on your reading and comprehension skills.
Now back up and re-read the very last paragraph of my post.
This will bring things into perspective for ya.

Everything myself and everyone else is posting here is nothing more than speculation at this point.

We're all looking for REAL answers from the source. In the meantime interest is dwindling. The people in the know had better clear things up rather quickly.
 
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Wait... so some idiot went to M&M and complained that these rifles were retailing too cheap here? And then people are surprised they raised the price?
 
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