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Except the buyer loses money if they cancel due to the terms.
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Except the buyer loses money if they cancel due to the terms.
They can not sell you a product they do not have or can not obtain.
I will put it another way, what will cost them more, breaking contract with M+M or canceling a pre order and dealing with a few disgruntled customers because the product is no longer available for them to sell?
how did the buyer lose money if they issue a full refund?
Your jumping to conclusions based on what??
zelly_101
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Correct! If the buyer pulls out as it stands now it turns into a store credit. I foresee wantsall refunding all money. I hope it turns out positive for the people that have pre ordered and they get the original presale price.
Well they must have had a deal with the manufacturer because they knew what stocks and details about the rifle for pre order. Then again they would not accept full paid purchase price..... so that is a little strange. For all we know the manufacturer could have been doing a beta test at the expense of the dealer to test how many units they might be able to sell. It’s no skin off there ass to simply blame the dealer and switch distribution at and inflated price. The new dealer looks like a hero and the manufacturer looks like a victim.
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It says cancelled orders will be transferred into store credit.
It doesn't say which side has to cancel for that to happen.
Phat Eagle
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This whole thing is a first-class SCHMOZZ, but I have NO DOUBT Wanstalls will refund all the money if they are unable to deliver on the price they promised at the time ($1449). They're stand-up guys and have ALWAYS looked after their customers.
Patt08
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But I don't want a refund, I want my gun @1449 
Wasn't it mentioned on another thread that a member contacted Wanstalls and they said that they would honor the presale price? If that is correct than that tells me that they (Wanstalls) is not to blame and its either M and M or quite possibly Can am that is creating the problems with what the price should be for these rifles.
If M and M jacks up the price of these just because, and Wanstalls does honour their agreements with all of us who preordered then its a shame for them as they are going to be out a whole lot of $$$$
This was my first purchase with them and would hate to see them get screwed over because of someone elses bs.
If M and M jacks up the price of these just because, and Wanstalls does honour their agreements with all of us who preordered then its a shame for them as they are going to be out a whole lot of $$$$
This was my first purchase with them and would hate to see them get screwed over because of someone elses bs.
JayCarver
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I think it's funny that some people think they actually have a "contract" that is worth something because they sent a deposit for a pre-order HAHAHA
The dealer will refund the money before they sell you a product at a loss. Are you going to get a lawyer and take them to court then? LOL
The dealer will refund the money before they sell you a product at a loss. Are you going to get a lawyer and take them to court then? LOL
patjohnw
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it's going to be hysterical when I run guns steps into this game
bladerogers
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LOL! my thoughts exactly.
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The way I am seeing this is that Wanstalls wouldn't offer this for sale without some form of contract with M+M. Wanstalls is reputable. What they had for an agreement is unclear at the moment. There are many things that constitute a contract. But it appears they had some form of one for them to come up with pricing and launch a pre-order. They were sure they were getting them. This assurance must have came from none other than M+M. I'd say Wanstalls was acting in good faith.
Now take a few steps back and remember who did the leg work on this. Can-Am. They wouldn't do the grunt work on this project without securing some form of first rights to either sales or distributorship. There would have been some form of contract between Can-Am and M+M. This would have taken place before Wanstalls came into the picture.
Now back to where we are now. M+M enters into an agreement with Wanstalls giving them rights to sell for them, with total disregard to prior commitments they've made with the guy that did the grunt work, Can-Am. Can-Am catches drift of this and says wait a minute there, you have comments with me.
Now we have two reputable dealers looking at M+M saying guess what guys we have a contract. Can-Am says you have to honor your commitment with us as we established it first. Wanstalls is saying guess what we also have a contract, it's not our fault you f'ed up and beached terms of a prior contract with another dealer, we have a contract, you owe us rifles. Can-Am says we had a contract in place first you must honor ours first.
Now M+M is sitting around trying to figure there way out of the serious s#it hole they just dug themselves into. Oh I know, they say, demand on Wanstalls pre-order was higher than we expected so we will jack prices to make the consumer pay for our f*up. In the meantime let's hope neither Can-Am or Wanstalls sue our a$$ off for breach of contract.
All the while Wanstalls are trying to figure out how they are getting their hands on enough rifles to fulfill the terms of the contract they entered into with all the pre-order guys. Sorry Wanstalls, once the money was accepted a legal binding contract was formed. But I think you know that and will figure out how to do the impossible even if it means you now have to buy the rifles off of Can-Am so you may supply all the guys who you entered into contract with. Oops I almost forgot, you guys are fine because you know that the little guy knows it's not worth it for him to persue it and hold you to the terms of the contract. A simple refund and you're off the hook. The little guy gets shafted. Who'd ever think of that right?
Wow! Things can go south pretty quickly.
Hope it works out for both dealers involved as I don't think this clusterfack was either of their fault. But on the other hand I think M+M has some worring to do. If either of the dealers don't do enough damage to them I'm sure after all this the Canadian consumer will by taking our business elsewhere. Especially if M+M thinks there is opportunity to shaft us with a price increase.
Of course this is all just speculation as I see things currently given the little information we have. This is getting ridiculous. Hopefully we have some concrete answers soon .
Now take a few steps back and remember who did the leg work on this. Can-Am. They wouldn't do the grunt work on this project without securing some form of first rights to either sales or distributorship. There would have been some form of contract between Can-Am and M+M. This would have taken place before Wanstalls came into the picture.
Now back to where we are now. M+M enters into an agreement with Wanstalls giving them rights to sell for them, with total disregard to prior commitments they've made with the guy that did the grunt work, Can-Am. Can-Am catches drift of this and says wait a minute there, you have comments with me.
Now we have two reputable dealers looking at M+M saying guess what guys we have a contract. Can-Am says you have to honor your commitment with us as we established it first. Wanstalls is saying guess what we also have a contract, it's not our fault you f'ed up and beached terms of a prior contract with another dealer, we have a contract, you owe us rifles. Can-Am says we had a contract in place first you must honor ours first.
Now M+M is sitting around trying to figure there way out of the serious s#it hole they just dug themselves into. Oh I know, they say, demand on Wanstalls pre-order was higher than we expected so we will jack prices to make the consumer pay for our f*up. In the meantime let's hope neither Can-Am or Wanstalls sue our a$$ off for breach of contract.
All the while Wanstalls are trying to figure out how they are getting their hands on enough rifles to fulfill the terms of the contract they entered into with all the pre-order guys. Sorry Wanstalls, once the money was accepted a legal binding contract was formed. But I think you know that and will figure out how to do the impossible even if it means you now have to buy the rifles off of Can-Am so you may supply all the guys who you entered into contract with. Oops I almost forgot, you guys are fine because you know that the little guy knows it's not worth it for him to persue it and hold you to the terms of the contract. A simple refund and you're off the hook. The little guy gets shafted. Who'd ever think of that right?
Wow! Things can go south pretty quickly.
Hope it works out for both dealers involved as I don't think this clusterfack was either of their fault. But on the other hand I think M+M has some worring to do. If either of the dealers don't do enough damage to them I'm sure after all this the Canadian consumer will by taking our business elsewhere. Especially if M+M thinks there is opportunity to shaft us with a price increase.
Of course this is all just speculation as I see things currently given the little information we have. This is getting ridiculous. Hopefully we have some concrete answers soon .
zelly_101
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JayCarver
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If Wanstalls gives a full refund who gets shafted?
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