Chinese Surplus SKS Quality

God your dense. My asking what a "sino-soviet" was was a rhetorical question.

You and I both know Russan stocks are not made from that type of birch. You cant just assume it must be the highest density birch on the list because it fits your narrative.

Have you know, My former profession had me hand selecting high grades of hardwood and veneer to be used in the cabinets of private jets. This ain't my first rodeo there numb nutz.

Again, you can wonk wonk all you like, but until I see you post a thread of you sanding and cutting the crap out of these sks woods, perhaps you should shut your pie-hole.

Catalpa and Burch are both hardwoods, BUT they are BOTH on the low end of density.

Some of you guys arguments would be the same as me taking one look at that bastardized rifle FenceLine posted and assume all Russians are crap. Im sorry fellas.... It simply does not work that way.
 
Boris Badinov said:
None of the Chinese guns were produced as commercial variants. The Commercial guns that China exported were "assembled" from the massive stockpiles of leftover parts that China had leftover after three decades of mil-spec Type56 Production in the 100+ arsenals and factories throughout China.

Even the modified commercial variants were assembled from original mil-spec parts.

There is no evidence that China ever produced the SKS for specifically for the consumer market. Instead, the evidence shows that the Chinese took advantage of their abundant surplus of Type56's, and, beginning in the late 1980's, they "flipped" their mil-spec cache for cash by dumping them into overseas foreign consumer markets.

They are Red Chinese Communists afterall... why in the world would they have ever considered making a commercial gun for Chinese consumers? Answer is that they did no such thing.

Keep in mind...that production of the sks in in China ended in the mid-1980's. Guns dated 1988 and later were simply assembled from the large stockpiles of leftover parts manufactured to mil-specs.
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Fair enough, I'm no Chinese SKS production expert. There is no "Chinese consumers" in China as far as guns are concerned, because they're a bunch of commies and it's not in their government's best interest to arm their peasants, who could one day revolt against their oppressors (the Chinese seem to have taken good note of the 2nd Amendment, even if your own Democrats still struggle with understanding what it's really for). All Chinese export guns (produced under a blanket trademark "Norinco") were intended for foreign markets, whether it's foreign civilian or military markets. Still the case today, from what I understand.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/manufacturer.asp?thisCompany=NORINCO


My NORINCO SKS-D sure as heck lacked any military markings though and it didn't look like they were ground off. It had Norinco logos/proofmarks stamped on it, however. I don't recall if there was a factory marking, but the metal finishing was pretty rough, albeit functional of course. Chrome lined bore. The wood was just awful with really bad varnishing, even though it was supposed to be the "better" commercial stuff.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Better stuff. Lol

If the wood wasn't pretty.... Why did you buy it? Isn't this strictly against your standards?
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Because the Russian ones were no where to be found and cost an arm and a leg back then. No longer the case today though, both cost pretty much the same on the milsurp market. Sometimes when on sale, you can have the Russian SKS $40-50 cheaper even. There was a sale at the Canadian Cabelas last week: $199/rifle + free shipping. The Chinese ones sell for $239 regular.

As I said before, if both were in the same condition and same price, picking the Ruskie over the Chinese is a no brainer... unless you collect and want both.
 
There is an Afghan or Pakistan member on the board who periodically post. IIRC He stated the preference by combatants was Chinese over Russian SKS...
 
762mm said:
Because the Russian ones were no where to be found and cost an arm and a leg back then. No longer the case today though, both cost pretty much the same.

As I said before, if both were in the same condition and same price, picking the Ruskie over the Chinese is a no brainer... unless you collect and want both.
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Are you comparing a non furb ruski to some bastardized chicom again?

Yay
 
SteelCap said:
There is an Afghan or Pakistan member on the board who periodically post. IIRC He stated the preference by combatants was Chinese over Russian SKS...
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I imagine that's because the World is flooded by Chinese Type 56 carbines (SKS) and Chinese Type 56 assault rifles (AK47). It's much more a question of availability than performance or quality.

Something like over 90% of all AKs in the Middle East are Chinese Type 56. That's because China has flooded the market with them, beating the Russians both in quantity and price per unit. If you're some backwards country dictator with poorly trained disposable troops, you're certainly going to equip them with a functional rifle at half the cost, given the chance. That's what happened.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Are you comparing a non furb ruski to some bastardized chicom again?

Yay
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I specified "same condition and same price" just to facilitate your comprehension. Learn to read, ffs!

f:P:


P.S. When ordering online, what you will get is always a surprise. Ball park condition is pretty much the only thing you will know ahead of time. There's no hand picking of "factory 26" at most retailers. You'll get whatever the underpaid shipping department kid will grab off the shelf first.
 
Or....

"He stated the preference by combatants was Chinese over Russian SKS."

Sounds like they had both to me.... And you try to make it out like they simply didn't have any super doober Smithsonian 7.62mm grade russians to have a preference over. Lol
 
Here's a cool little article for those wishing to know under what conditions these rifles were built in China way back then. Article is about Type 56 AKs, but still relevant:

http://www.gunsandammo.com/historical/touring-a-chinese-ak47-factory/


A rare look at all those highly motivated, well-treated and well-paid Chinese assembly plant workers in 1987... sure, the USSR wasn't the model for labor relations back then either, but the standards were quite a bit higher, to say the least.



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Well I can see this thread has turned into quite the pissing match since I left to check out International's chinese SKS's.

They were very nice and let me look at as many as I wanted but they were all in similar condition; functional but rough refurbs. I ended up just buying more ammo to make the drive worthwhile.
 
Loose-Cannon said:
God your dense. My asking what a "sino-soviet" was was a rhetorical question.

You and I both know Russan stocks are not made from that type of birch. You cant just assume it must be the highest density birch on the list because it fits your narrative.

Have you know, My former profession had me hand selecting high grades of hardwood and veneer to be used in the cabinets of private jets. This ain't my first rodeo there numb nutz.

Again, you can wonk wonk all you like, but until I see you post a thread of you sanding and cutting the crap out of these sks woods, perhaps you should shut your pie-hole.

Catalpa and Burch are both hardwoods, BUT they are BOTH on the low end of density.

Some of you guys arguments would be the same as me taking one look at that bastardized rifle FenceLine posted and assume all Russians are crap. Im sorry fellas.... It simply does not work that way.
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Surprised you're not in pink yet with the all the condescending remarks you make and the name calling...
 
Loose-Cannon said:
1987.... Lol.

Try Jianshe /26\ 1956.

What you posted is where your T81 was made.... Not an early T56
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Yeah, I'm sure labor standards and work safety were much higher in China in 1956... just three years after the Chinese were sending their soldiers barefoot to attack American and South Korean positions in -40C weather during the Korean war! :eek:

Your dumbass remark shows that your knowledge of communism and how it treats its' "citizens" is what CNN taught you... fake news, much?
 
Loose-Cannon said:
Keep your eye out for some good ones. Despite what others say or know, they are out there.
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I had been hoping to add to the BNIB examples that I currently have in the collection. For the life of me I can't remember how many I have left, I know I have at least 2 but thought I had 2 more too.

I would have been happy with lightly or well done chinese refurbs for $190.00 apiece. I know some feel these rifles are crap but the same has been said (by some) of all the milsurp rifles that have come to market and they have ALL gone up in price.

In 10 years we will be looking back and talking about these rifles and the prices we paid. We have already seen the nice examples of both russian and chinese SKS's go up an easy 50% in Canada over the last 3 years or so.
 
762mm said:
Here's a cool little article for those wishing to know under what conditions these rifles were built in China way back then. Article is about Type 56 AKs, but still relevant:

A rare look at all those highly motivated, well-treated and well-paid Chinese assembly plant workers in 1987... sure, the USSR wasn't the model for labor relations back then either, but the standards were quite a bit higher, to say the least.
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And you have direct knowledge evidence of the standards at Soviet small arms facilities?

Pretty bold assumption to make.

They're making ak's for god's sakes, not performing open heart surgery.
 
klaus enuff said:
I had been hoping to add to the BNIB examples that I currently have in the collection. For the life of me I can't remember how many I have left, I know I have at least 2 but thought I had 2 more too.

I would have been happy with lightly or well done chinese refurbs for $190.00 apiece. I know some feel these rifles are crap but the same has been said (by some) of all the milsurp rifles that have come to market and they have ALL gone up in price.

In 10 years we will be looking back and talking about these rifles and the prices we paid. We have already seen the nice examples of both russian and chinese SKS's go up an easy 50% in Canada over the last 3 years or so.
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The Chinese SKS are not "crap", but if a new shooter can buy either the Chinese or a Russian in the same condition and for the same price, I'd strongly recommend the Russian because of fit and finish alone. Then there is also the collector value down the road... the supplies of the Russian ones are essentially exhausted, whereas there could be still hundreds of thousands of Chinese Type 56's still hiding in some Norinco depot.
 
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